🎓 Doc Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@qoto.org

@Murray_N

I barely had the time to do the deepdive on that last one. But I agree it was largely a circus.. i mean just some guy saying some shit like "everyone lies about israel" without really a hard look at facts to justify it. The vast nmajority of what was said was just wasted air and I couldnt really even comment on it meaningfully if i wanted to. Now the parts he did say something meaningful, mostly specific jabs at palestine I can address, but they were far and few between for how much hot air was spewed.

@realcaseyrollins

@johnabs

Its hard for me to see how that could work, but if the tool does what you say and does it well somehow that could be a game changer.

@cleverthis

@Murray_N

I'm familiar with much of the early history. But I was there largely to see the modern state of things and hear peoples opinions. One thing i learned is palestinians are quite proud of their long term presence in the area. Most palestinians living in palestine have as a central figure in their home huge family trees showing their ties to the region going back many generations. Meanwhile most Isralis havent been there more than a generation or two and have no clue if their lineage has any roots in the area or not in most cases (other than perhaps biblical references to some people practicing a similar religion to them).

@realcaseyrollins

@Murray_N

I would imagine most people see what they want to see. Im not sure its the IDF intentionally being misleading so much as them just being on their best behavior when they are under the eyes of a foreigner to some extent, and also just the fact that there isnt much to see other than the fact that they just dont let much shit in or out.

You see much more when you see starving uneducated kids in the street with no power because israel had, for months, cut the power to the area as a punishment.

@realcaseyrollins

@Murray_N

I think its pretty idiotic to claim an appeal to authority in and of itself. Everyone is welcome to an opinion. However i agree that someones experiences (such as visiting the area) should be a factor in someone judging the credibility of an opinion. But that is not the same as saying a person shouldnt have an opinion.

That said I moved to Israel and lived there for over 2 years recently in part specifically so i could get to know both sides in the war first hand and have a real on-the-ground opinion. I found that to be a rewarding experience that has certainly effected my view and refined it.

@realcaseyrollins

@realcaseyrollins

So short answer, he does exactly what every single person who picks a side in this debate (or any debate) and digs in tends to do... He uses every true thing he can say to his advantage, and completely denies every true thing that works against his pov as a lie (with little or no evidence to back it).

A good test, did he have anything at **all** critical to say against his own argument? anything? nope?

Now look at our past arguments, I clearly have picked a side out of the two. But do you see me trying to claim my side is perfect no. Look at the person arguing against him, does he admit wrong doing on both sides, or just the side he is against? That will always tell you more about who is at least being intellectually honest in any debate and it clearly isnt Dave here.

So I will largely just reiterate my point ive made many many times before. The situation is, within the lifetime of a single person we have israel carrying out biological (infectious disease) warfare on the Palestinians in the first days of the war, they win that war, using the most vile and inappropriate of terrorism, on a scale that palestine has never came close to attempting themselves. This is accepted fact, even israel doesnt deny it. Everything else has followed from that act.

@Murray_N

@realcaseyrollins

Watch the 15 minute clip.. doubling back to the full one now as I feel that didnt give enough context.

@Murray_N

@realcaseyrollins

Cool, ill let ya know my thoughts soonish.

@Murray_N

@realcaseyrollins

If yiou want my opinion on it you will either need to summarize it for me, or link me to it.

@Murray_N

@realcaseyrollins

No idea who he is or what his take is. But if you give me a summary I'd be happy to comment on it.

@chris At least they stopped lying and calling them "illegals"

@chris At least they stopped lying and calling them "illegals"