🎓 Doc Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@qoto.org

@icedquinn

Sorry but not only is your quote out of context but it is grossly mistraslated. I have studied the Qu'ran rather heavily and have addressed this passage multiple times.

The part of your translation "to strike" is a translation of the word "daraba" and while that is one of several definitions there are other equally fitting definitions that do not imply violence. The word "daraba" also translates to: to present, to set forth, to leave, to shun, to hit, to tap, or to cover. One could just as easily say the passage is telling you to shun your wife, not to hit them.

Furthermore the context is important, which as I said you left out. The Qu'ran in multiple places explicitly or implicitly indicates that striking your was is against Muslim law.

Here is a quote fromt he Qu'ran that explicitly states you can not hit your wife:

'"O Apostle of God! What is my duty to my wife?" He said, "That you give her to eat as you eat yourself, and clothe her as you clothe yourself; and do not slap her in the face nor abuse her, nor separate yourself from her in displeasure."

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@icedquinn

Also I didnt mention any bible quotes from Leviticus so not even sure what your on about using that as a defense anyway.

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@icedquinn

As I said, when you cherry pick nonsense out of context you can make any religion look bad. You can find excuses for anything.

The fact that wearing polyester is a punishable offense is not a defense of ahte bible, if anything it is damning as it shows it considers things to be offenses that should not be.

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@icedquinn

Qu'ran:

""The best of you are they who behave best to their wives."

Bible:

"your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you."

""If there is a young woman, a virgin already engaged to be married, and a man meets her in the town and lies with her, you shall...stone them to death, the young woman"

See, I can cherry pick nonsense too

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@waltercool

Ther eis a huge difference between Muslim countries and Muslim immigrants. Most immigrants who come here are doing so because they dont like the choices their country is making in the first place.

As someone who has a great many friends who are Muslim-Americans I can say that I've seen less oppression or abuse out of them towards their wives than the general public. Usually any lack of "freedom" they have (such as covering up) is something the wife themselves desire for themself and adopted long before they were married.

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@icedquinn

Strictly speaking the christian bible supports it as well. In practice you will always have some sexist abusers, but the majority of Muslims do not support such things.

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@icedquinn

foir sure. neoliberals are a stain and ruining any real progress for women or sexism in general.

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@socjuswiz

I would imagine all three of us have the same impression of you as completely lacking even the most basic understanding of sexism / social context.

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@icedquinn

This is true. PArticularly in the USA where not taking a side is effectively the same thing as being an enemy of both sides.

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@socjuswiz

to be clear I agree with you here. Assuming a woman who accuses someone of rape is lying is equally as reprehensible as assuming they are telling the truth.

One should not draw conclusions based on a lack of evidence.

@icedquinn @waltercool

@icedquinn

As far as im concerned there is plenty of sexism in both directions. More than enough abuse for being male or female. You can view either as the victim from the right perspective and neither viewpoint is entierly wrong.

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