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"Instead of consuming food, music, booze and so on, I was producing them with people who I was in a full relationship with,"

- Mark Boyle #Quote aka "Moneyless Man" #Ireland #Job #Money VS. #Community #Land #Work

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💬 MY COMMENT:
I like Mark's stuff but it never really hit me until repeatedly copied and pasted the quote that I thought: "Wow imagine being in a relationship with others that depends on EVERYTHING being made! Just like I was a young again and if people broke up or had argument then all the food, music and booze would be at risk!"

Did make me think "No wonder there is the money way to keep things going!" But then I thought:
"Would I prefer it to keep going without harmony and use the fake money?" (ANSWER NO, RELATIONSHIPS STILL "FOR THE WAY" AS TOUGH AS I KNOW THEY CAN BE! ....Ok... maybe a bit of food security through something as backup! Call it Christianity or something) ✝️ 🍞 🧀

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Can you live without money? Lily Cole meets the “Moneyless Man”
22 April 2015

Mark Boyle started to rely entirely on gifts and bartering in 2008 - cooking on an outdoor stove, washing his clothes in soapwort, and using the Daily Mail as loo paper. He tells Lily Cole why he loved it.

By Lily Cole

Lily Cole: What was your upbringing like – did your parents have much money and what was their relationship to money like?

Mark Boyle: My formative years were Eighties pre-Celtic Tiger Ireland, where no one – my parents included – had two dimes to rub together. We lived week to week, with no car or phone or any of the trappings that today’s youth would consider to be life’s essentials. But I had the best of parents and the happiest of childhoods, and there was a real sense of authentic community on the street where we lived. Everyone mucked in together, everyone had each other’s back. Only one house out of 80 had a phone, and if you wanted to use it you simply left 20p beside it once you were done. Doors were always open, children’s clothes were passed from one family’s toddlers to the next, and if some one was ever stuck for a few bob others came together and helped them out. The streets and fields were full of kids playing and getting up to no good, and we always had food. I go back there now and everyone is much better off financially, but the doors are closed as no one needs each other any more. People meet their needs through money and the technologies it facilitates, and not through intimate human relationships.

LC: When did you begin to question the value and system around money?

MB: When I was taking a degree in business, I had a fantastic economics lecturer who taught me to question everything, especially the premises underlying different economic models. But my understanding was quite raw then, and at that point I was still more interested in getting a well-paid career than I was in challenging the cultural and economic narratives of our age. I knew something wasn’t quite right with it, I had an inkling things could be a different way. But it would be another five years before those seeds of doubt would germinate.

LC: Before you “lived without money” what jobs did you do and how did you feel about them?
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MB: After I finished my degree, I fell into a job managing an organic food company, which put me into contact with lots of weird and wonderful food suppliers – bee-keepers, salad growers, goats cheesemakers and the like. Through meeting them, and listening to their perspectives on the world, I began to see some of the ecological insanity of the world around me, and for the first time in my life I understood real economics – what some might call ecology. The more I questioned the basic cultural assumptions of the society I was working within, the less sense it made to continue working in it.

LC: What was the moment you had the idea to try living without money – was it a specific moment, or a growing feeling? And when was it?

MB: Studying economics, we were obviously well versed in the benefits of money – a medium of exchange to facilitate the specialised division of labour required for an industrialised society, a store of value and so on. But no one ever explained to us the social, ecological and personal consequences of monetising our lives. It was as if money were the only technology in the world without unintended consequences. So I began speaking out about those for about a year, around 2007, at which point a friend said to me, “if you think money is so problematic, why don’t you give it up yourself?” So I did. Within about 30 minutes of the challenge I had put a “For Sale” sign on my old houseboat, the proceeds of which I used to set up a gift economy website called Freeconomy.

LC: Did the idea scare you?

MB: The idea scared the bejesus out of me. Up to that point in my life, money provided me with my sense of security. That security was now going to have to come from the strength of relationships I had with the people and lands around me, both of which felt a lot less predictable than the cold hard cash I was used to.

LC: How long did it take you to decide to really try?

MB: After selling the houseboat and setting up Freeconomy, I set myself a date – Buy Nothing Day 2008 – at which point I would stop using money for what was originally intended to be a one-year experiment. Which gave me about six months to prepare. But as I had come from a conventional background, where I was more comfortable with a spreadsheet than a spade, that really wasn’t a lot of time.

LC: How did you deal with living without money initially? Where did you live? How did you manage for food/drink? How did you manage for heating, clothes, soap, washing, other necessities..?

MB: The practicalities of living without money are almost infinite, many of which I’ve detailed in The Moneyless Manifesto. But some of these were more critical than others. I lived in a caravan I found on Freecycle, and I kitted this out with a wood-burner made from an old gas bottle, which I fuelled using wood I’d gather from the land around me. I cooked my simple fare outside, 365 days of the year, on a rocket stove, and dinner usually consisted of veggies and, being Irish, a pot of potatoes. I gathered up the unused apples from the surrounding area to make cider, and the campfire became my pub, around which friends would sing and dance and make music together. We became participants in life, not only consumers of it. To wash my clothes I used a plant called soapwort which I grow, and washed clothes in either an old sink or the river, where I also bathed. I brushed my teeth with toothpaste made from wild fennel seed and cuttlefish bone. I had a composting toilet and used discarded editions of The Daily Mail for toilet roll – a fine use for it. Sometimes, as I would go to wipe my backside with a newspaper, I would notice a picture of myself staring back – and proceed ahead anyway.

LC: Did living without money alienate you socially from many of your friends? Did it bring you closer to others?

MB: When I began living without money, one of my biggest fears was becoming alienated from friends and society. Being Irish, I was used to congregating in the pub, and this obviously was no longer an option. But the fear turned out to be entirely unfounded. I quickly found that my friends were dying to get out of the city and into nature, and, if anything, my biggest problem was finding some of the solitude that I crave from time to time. My relationship with the people around me become much stronger – for the first time in my life I realised my interdependency on the world around me.

LC: What did your parents think about your decision?

MB: At first, my parents didn’t really talk about my decision – after all, they’d seen me bust a gut to educate myself, presumably on the basis that I would then get a good job. But as time wore on, and they came to understand my motivations for doing it, they got more and more behind it. Dad even grows his own vegetables for the family now.

LC: Were you able to travel much – see family at Christmas, etc?

MB: Travelling was slow. My preference was to walk, but I’d also cycle if I had to go a little further afield. When I wanted to go home for Christmas, I would hitch – a journey that takes most people 40 minutes on an airplane but would take me the best part of two days. This was frustrating at first, as adapting to a new way of being kept me very busy, but I soon came to the conclusion that travelling probably ought to be slow.

LC: Did you ever doubt your decision?

MB: I had a few doubts in the first three months, as it was all so new to me. But as my experience grew, so did my confidence, and before long it became first nature to me.

LC: You say you enjoyed the experience so much in the first year, you decided to do it for longer. Can you explain what you enjoyed so much about the experience?

MB: Like no other period in my life, I felt fully alive. Having spent most of my life worrying about the future or regretting the past, I was living in the moment, day to day – like wild animals do, I suspect. I had a strong sense of connection to the land and waterways around me, on whose health I realised my own depended. Instead of consuming food, music, booze and so on, I was producing them with people who I was in a full relationship with. Life was rich, intimate and diverse – every day I learned something new, often about things that had never even entered my awareness before. I was fitter, happier and healthier than ever before. Most of all, I felt liberated.

LC: Do you think you’ll go back to living without money again in future?

MB: Yes, that is the long-term plan, and we’re currently creating a project called An Teach Saor (Gaelic for “The Free House”) in Ireland, which will allow other people, for various periods of time, to experience living in this way also.

LC: When did you have the idea for your online community, Just for the Love of It? Was it a specific moment, or a growing desire?

MB: I dreamed up Freeconomy (Just for the Love of It) around 2006, having come to the conclusion that our disconnection from life was at the root of many of the ecological, social and personal crises I witnessed unfolding around me – and that contrary to conventional wisdom, money was one of the most disconnecting tools we possessed. So I wanted to help create new economic systems. The problem was, all the existing alternative systems being developed were still based on the premise of “exchange” that was the basis of money. I wanted to go beyond that, and decided to create a system where people would help each other not because they were getting something in return, but simply because someone needed some help.

LC: How did the site develop and evolve?

MB: A web developer and myself built it over a period of about six months, making it up as we went along. If I were to do it again, I’d have done it differently. But somehow it seemed to work, and despite the absence of funds – shoestring would be a euphemism – we had over 50,000 members. In some areas there was a real strong sense of community, in others in didn’t really take off at all.

LC: Are you still friends with/in touch with people you met on the network?

MB: I met many wonderful people through my local group at the time, which was in Bristol, some of whom I’ve been friends with ever since. Doing something for nothing for someone (and vice versa) has a knack for creating strong bonds between people. Through managing the site, I also made a lot of friends globally, and I collaborate on various projects with some of them to this day.

LC: Did you offer your skills much?

MB: Yes, on top of managing the global project, I also ran a freeskilling evening once a week for my local group, where one person in the community would come and show anywhere between 20 and 250 people how to do a particular skill – everything from making rocket stoves to carpentry and clothes repair. I’d help people with gardening or foraging, and – rather ironically – I helped a local charity, who had contacted me through the site, with their accounts. Similarly, many people helped me also.

LC: Do you view it as a success?

MB: I think it served people well at a particular time, and perhaps helped form some of the philosophical structure of the gift and sharing economy projects that have come after it. However, with the pace of technological change and my lack of money, we couldn’t keep up, and in the end we merged with another project who were better set up to serve its members. Projects like Impossible and Streetbank do a much better job now of what I was doing then.

LC: How hopeful are you that the digital landscape will enable us to reconnect to the gift economy?

MB: I think the gift economy is still alive, if to a slightly diminished degree, in places where people know each other well – the family home, groups of friends, rural communities and so on. Where I think the digital world plays a role is in enabling people to engage in gift economies is in urban areas, where anonymity and social norms make it difficult for people to interact in such a spirit through more natural avenues. Five years ago I was very hopeful that the digital world would facilitate the re-emergence of gift economies. These days there is no more need for hope – pioneering projects such as couch-surfing, freecycle, impossible and streetbank are already out there doing it, and the more people see the danger of putting all their economic eggs in the financial basket, the more they are diversifying their personal economies and coming to projects like these in huge numbers.

LC: What does the gift economy mean to you?

MB: A gift culture, I suppose, was originally a generic term used mostly by anthropologists to describe many of the societies that existed prior to the notion of money. In these societies, labour and materials were shared according to social norms and without any explicit agreement about what the giver would receive in return, if anything. Nowadays, it’s often used to describe any way of matching up those who need something – whether it be a skill, a tool, a couch to sleep on – with those who can help, in a way in which nothing is expected directly in return – except, perhaps, for a thankyou and the feeling of helping someone for no other reason than you can.

LC: Do you see a relationship between the gift economy and sustainability?

MB: Yes and no, to varying degrees. I think if a gift economy is localised and low-tech, then it can play a crucial role in enabling us to live in harmony with the Great Web of Life. In a high-tech, more globalised format, I think its sustainability merits are more marginal. That said, even in a global context the gift economy is enabling us to use our resources more efficiently. But it’s a complex issue – in a high technology world, who is to say that the money someone saves by getting their sofa from Freecycle isn’t then spent on some product or activity with an even higher ecological impact? Unless they burn the money they saved, it is going to get spent on something eventually, and in a high-tech, globalised world, that is usually on something I would consider entirely unsustainable. But there are so many other psychological, emotional and social benefits to gift economies that, regardless of their ability to reduce our ecological footprint, they are very worthwhile endeavours on the basis of this alone.

LC: What are your plans for the space you are developing in Ireland now?

MB: I moved back to Ireland last year, where we have set up a permaculture- and gift-based project called An Teach Saor (Gaeilge for The Free House). Here we started plans to produce all our needs from the land around us, and to share its fruits with both our neighbours and the people who pass through it. I’m in the process of finishing a building – made from cob, cordwood, wattle and daub and other natural materials – which will open as a free community event space next year. Here we intend to run free courses and workshop, evenings of music and storytelling, skill-sharing, feasts and even serve up some moneyless homebrew. People can stay there for free too, so if they’ve had a couple of drinks there is no need to drive home!

LC: Do you consider yourself religious or spiritual?

MB: I think we’ve all got a spiritual side, whether we acknowledge it or not. But I am not religious or spiritual in the traditional or New Age sense. I suppose in some ways the closest thing I could describe myself as in an animist, and I see God in everything from the smallest creature to the largest tree.

LC: Do you think our society has got it really wrong?

MB: I think the human experiment took a wrong turn over 10,000 years ago. Agriculture, as Jared Diamond once said, is a catastrophe from which we’ve never recovered. Most of us don’t even know what we’ve lost, because we’ve never experienced it. We’ve designed human societies around toxic technologies that are driving a mass extinction of species, and an ecological meltdown that our generation has no real understanding of – we’re an ecologically illiterate people. We’re laying waste to majesty and splendour of the Earth, and have created a world where belongings are more important than belonging. Yet one can still look around and see so much beauty, in the wild landscapes that still exist and within the most intimate parts of human relationship that have yet to be monetised. I think it’s important to be honest about what we are doing to the Earth, and still love all the wonders that continue to resist the invasion of The Machine.

LC: If you have a kid, how will you try and negotiate teaching them the value systems you believe in, and the contemporary modern world’s systems?

MB: I’ve had a vasectomy, so this is a hypothetical question for me. And not being a parent, I am probably unqualified to comment. But that said, its an important question. Personally, I think providing an example is a much better way of passing on values to our young than telling them how to live. Children are much more honest than adults, and they believe what they see. If they are around loving and generous adults every day, they’re more likely to manifest those values themselves. They’ll inevitably learn the values of the modern world – of which I am not much of a fan – from their interaction with it, and there is not much you can do about that. But teaching them that there is another way of being human, one not based on the social norms of modern culture, is probably the greatest gift you can give them. What they then do with that is up to them.

Lily Cole is the founder of impossible.com.

You can find out more about Mark at https://web.archive.org/web/20121101234930/http://www.moneylessmanifesto.org/ (archived)

"Future is Unwritten" (seen in picture)

Reminds me of #problem that people are trying to make our lives predetermined !

THE PAST tries to dictate the THE FUTURE... and THIS phenomena is a BIG PAIN IN THE BUTT!

They are trying to PRE-SET everything...

Hence the term #RESET used in many ways to start again.

How do we reset shit things and all these #Laws and future-shaping things from the past and determine the unused / over-restrictive ones? #Question

Future is getting more narrow and MORE written it seems... and that is a death or type of fascism!

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Not sure of the context of the quote in this picture (maybe because it is war related it might mean:

- "nobody is sure what will happen next"

or

- "you write the future in your actions / participation"

(something like that)

Not sure if Joe said what's pictured ad how/where - but I wanted to use it to highlight it's more and more "written" in that sense every day.

Not sure how to counter that or indeed if there is a RESET switch! 🔌

#Quote Source: Minstrel Boy - Joe Strummer & The Mescaleros (Complete)

https://invidious.fdn.fr/watch?v=-I9_pDSlQ4E #JoeStrummer #Music

Spending time talking with people that don't understand even the obvious?

For those that don't understand helping people... some people will never understand or have chosen in a big way even if they don't tell you!

It's also for US to get the message - sometimes it's really NO to changing their ways!

Text in picture:
For those that don't understand helping people... 1 woman in this picture is thinking about going back
to rescue the shoes while friend is screaming: "Are you crazy?!"

Lesson is: Don't expect people to react to obvious crises because when you try help people
it can be with those same who already had obvious limits!

⭐ We need to get that and find another way!

It's often circular and we need spirals of change!

No changing some people...

Including us changing and NOT trying too hard in the same-same ways trying to 'wake' people up!

#Compost + #Shit #Bucket for #Organic #Waste - mixing and giving back to Earth's biology, back to soil.

Find a safe place and mix #Humanure rather than down the 🚾 🚽

Shit mixed with the compost = value + goes back to earth 🌏 = growing stuff 🌱 🍄 🍆

Give a shit mean 💩 back to Earth not the toilet 🚽 !... and planting for the futur. Brown #gold / Humanure

Polite avoidance of people is almost the the same or mirror spectrum of ignoring people and being overly direct about it.

Similar to how passive aggressive over time and being aggressive directly is very similar result.

Here is an alternate arrangement of text to show Polite + Ignoring are similar mirror spectrum:

➡️ polite avoidance
(being indirect about it)
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➡️ Polite avoidance can be aggressive from people who have power and don't give it up or share it - so they just ignore people over time instead and hope the "go away".

That could be considered passive-aggressive as responsibility is shirked to answer an obvious or repeated question and leave it hanging talking about things around... At the same time someone overly asking questions can be similar in aggression but usually there is a clear power differential to why the subject is being asked or even exists (management not showing their plans for example or what they chose in the past) and it's a power play of sorts to let people stay frustrated and get to boiling point wanting them to do something rash and effectively kick themselves out (of the forum or job) instead of addressing the / or subjects.

Especially if you are providing a service or relationship but don't want someone there / don't see the point of their existence and ignoring how slack you are in reply - this might be used. Admin might even enjoy others suffering or the "I need you" factor and frequent messages for help (attachment theory)

Polite ignorance can make people look good as it seems wild someone is lashing out, while ni the background the people in control are still doing similar to other masters just less obviously.
So if you see people get angry suddenly it can be over time it's got to them, and really it works.

Which is why it's better for humanity to sort things sooner than let them hang and for it to build up in people to them to potentially take that accumulation and vent it elsewhere.

➡️ ignoring people (being direct about it) is more obvious and clear. Telling people what you think and being direct about it. Not much more to say about this section as the post was about how similar this point is with the polite kind.

People need to feel the fire first or smell the smoke to act 🔥 perhaps feel the cold also for the brain to change stance / determination Wim Hof)...

While I don't propose pushing people into the fire or burning their stuff to get the to a stage of "Reset" or pushing them into freezing water to get the #WimHof effect - it's good to somehow emulate / practise it in smaller form... mind chemistry changes for a bit... Resilience starts, Fear disappears...

So in the mind perhaps with a story but also some other ways "jumping in" (I don't know all the ways but have some)

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A real relationship helps to be like you friend or live it fuller / more honestly). Being alone is hard to change sometimes as a person is less seen and witnessed / less cared for from changing from A to B, the kudos etc. Could be simply 💲 ❤️ more often

It's not just what I do. It's Ubuntu (what we do activity / community defines all others to a large extent)

I often feel the opposite is true from the #Ubuntu #community phrase which makes thinking of people doing mistake often in a operating system or see the picture for better sense of people #money / debt in the equation:

" I don't belong because I'm not for money / debt. " #FreeSchool

So other people who are "all in" in that respect (most of you) are therefore blocking me incrementing out something / and are doing something damaging as a mostly money-orientated 'community' not even able to reply to your cause online.
Just donations or nothing.

Not looking to get out of this debt or bad work is bad and worse is not using the free-orientated people which over means you the consent to that "it's ok" or "it's just the way it has to be and I'll have no part to change it" to which I say NO IT DOES NOT WORK. WE SEE IT ALREADY. OPEN YOU EYES.

#BANKS ARE #DEBT CREATORS / DEATH BY NUMBERS and the "good" stuff built on that are only aesthetics / false living. Use the free even if we have to use money. Just don't go all in and do "the people work" as much as that might mean re-training yourself to adapt to those people.

More of us working on the social side of things. This is what this post is about.

Can you help?

If "Systems" are a way of doing things, then "Social" could be about bringing people together as it's main purpose.

That's the TLDR ! Please comment on what you think so far!

And if you get confused with the rest of the micro-points then come back to top to remind yourself!

If "Systems" ultimately come with the "missing parts" as the Humans themselves, then all our interaction / exploration is VITAL for our own health / development within that shell...

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We (humans) need more human interaction and half *orchestrated* stuff basically because alone we're severely limited and unimaginative as you might agree. Our work and family are often not the right places to train all this and comes back to risking our shelter and income that way, so places of less extremes in potential outcomes.

Born in Capitalism I think is the perfect answer from being very limited and narrow minded (lacking experience) and that's FROM not being together (people from cosmopolitan areas might be less racist naturally but not talking to anyone that your own you're really limited to experience of XYZ culture).

Surprisingly team work can happen INSTANTLY and we do find out place or get amazed by suggestions to do it more than our blind spots we had FOR YEARS!. Saves us time I feel. Small teams are also fine so no need assume only big or only small. Jump around!

(AGAIN) FEEDBACK FROM READING TO HERE IS OK OR KEEP TAB OPEN !
My love goes out to whatever we do already - not trying to change you to breaking levels! Let's just do it together and take on any paranoia etc at the same time... because we're also losing time while some shysty people are developing bad work and making that systematic.

More about what I think about things and how they could be done is below.

TLDR: Instances could be better populated or just encourage much more of a frequency for actions such as specific real-talk by it's users for XYZ pictures to be painted / presented at the end, and that sometimes we have to create or use from our own repertoire. "Fake it until you make it" also isn't bad here because "you make it from whoever shows up" so it could be a 'drawing' workshop that tries a bit of painting if someone else turns up or the people take it turns to bring for THEMSELVES what they do or what they think of your workshop from a different viewpoint/skill/discipline!
All is related or can be relative my Einstein friend.
All are unique too which I believe balances the non-Einstein-looking people.

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SO WHAT'S THE REST OF THIS? (POINTS YOU CAN SKIP ACCORDING TO WHAT YOU LIKE)
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Each paragraph is a main point and key lines with █ at the start.

█ You could say that Social IS doing that togetherness right now.

It might be that I think it's not doing that 'enough' and want to show it here HOW IT ISN'T to see and compare how you think about it (you think individuals are doing enough in life?). Maybe Systems shouldn't be that type of assistance to users, like a more caring parental type of encouragement for it's population (by those who want, not everyone wants that's ok). But I'm hoping there is always a way for those up for more of a chat or personal improvement as a more regular / constructive thing but we just don't know how or where to begin and there is no button for "I'M UP FOR A CHAT RIGHT NOW, WHO ELSE IS THERE?" to just jump right into a chat - example #Jitsi is instant:
https://jitsi.riot.im/freetalk (no signup, no account, no-install, all browsers, light-weight JUST THIS IS SURE PART OF WHAT WE DO!

█ So I'd like you to balance me in my perceptions, because largely it seems humans are missing / not showing up or not shown better ways themselves (even #RMS or other experts can be misunderstood let alone individuals - even if not everyone wants to be understood I think it's very human to get that out from ourselves and feel moer free / understood / truthful).

We can assume many simply wouldn't want to participate and "that's just life" but I'm even happy for others to use us as another kind of TV shit-show / freakshow as it's a lot more nearer to what they participate in (again more tempted whereas mainstream they are too far away). So chances are still better and people might send a comment / audio / video as helping the educational-entertainment rather than entertainment-education). If I'm correct then I can see what we can all do from what we do already and it's a overall big relief either way if people say more clearly "the why/why not for this and that".

█ Maybe in this text "I see the 'how' in chatting and you don't see it" OR "you see what I'm totally missing or reality". Like you'll come back with "people don't have time" and I'll show you people have a lot of time for BS as long as it pushes the right buttons (which we could do instead). If you can show there isn't better way almost lol... which is hard to do! If there isn't any potential and this is the best we're going to get from life I think I'd like more test than opinions of how motivated you are. If one of you decent admin who know what money is as a farce, then we can really open up talking properly and crack some eggs!

With your logical input and soem "Aha" on my side I'm happy to entertain stopping but there isn't anyone who doesn't like talking or seeing others talk. Thanks for any comments!

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Right now we probably can say Humanity is not really at the level I want because they are simply no present or having a way (me asking people to enter jitsi chat is not the best way you'll agree and needs a lot of faith to jump in like that, so we need something better). And without grouping the whole world in to over generalising it as 'not present enough to gauge', I am seeing the same at micro or macro level so the systematic sides to that are worth blaming AND ALSO FIXING - it's not just about putting on the individual to say things say "it's up to you to fix things without my help" (lol this is possibly the worst phrase and death to humanity!)

Another phrase is "you have to be independent" when that doesn't exist (especially with system that ties everyone in even if it looks unrelated/disconnected).
Both those phrases don't exist in world fucking up things LARGE! And basically (and simply) we need more mass to achieve, accumulate, increment and not much else perhaps. Not all or nothing either - just regularly more little things ! (being present or adding more and 'the worldly' things. And all will come together in similar chained/better-connected way).

It's maybe this part of mass you don't understand or feel you have to go "all in" or nothing works. And again that's also blamed on the system or systematic patterns for training us it's on or off or we can't do it ourself until it's made very professionally. People doing something towards the aim for togetherness is in between of on and off state- call it learning or exploration / analogue / dialogue. Perhaps a type of 'human algorithm' comes to mind where Twitter and commercial services solved that continuation of activity by recommending who is in our area and has similar like in our posts or the description boxes entered in the Bio.

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OK DUDE WHAT'S THE PART WHERE I SAY "WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM ME?... AND I'LL DO IT!"
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EMOTIONAL INTELLIGENCE
+ CONSCIOUS PARTICIPATION (LIKE COMMUNITY WORK YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO DO)
+ BEING AWARE OF BAD SYSTEMS AND ENTERTAINING EXITING THE HORRIBLE "GIFT" SHOP OF LIFE
+ DOING LESS BAD WAYS PERSONALLY IN YOUR LIFE / HELPING OTHERS

= HELPS MY LIFE LIKE THE UBUNTU WAY OF LIFE (WHERE YOUR LIFE ACTIVITY AFFECTS MINE) AND INCREASES ALL OUR CHANCES. Get how that works (and how it doesn't work in my life without you?)

Right now we have a "free blog" type system which even without having adverts or commercial mining is great but still isn't enough to grow or solve life. Just more one-way bloggers! THANK YOU FOR THE FREE LUNCH BUT the world isn't solved from that.
Doesn't help the "Give people better work to do" side of things to increment better communications. We can hobble along giving free like that and not need to do things personally together in life towards one big Ubuntu family, but we are all getting hammered out here AND WE NEED TO GLUE ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING together as value from "the people" because it is all we have and need to do as "best we can do" and accept it's simply not Capitalism or trojan horse quality.
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IMPROVING THE "HUMAN ALGORITHM" (HOW WE DO THINGS OR MORE WITH HUMANS LESS MACHINES)
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For good reasons not 'those things' is good while mixing up ways as our own algorithms (human algo's). So "we the people do need 'something more' and 'it will look shoddy at first with trial and error but we will find great friends to enjoy and are upgrading our own ability as we go - upgrading ourself through others (?!) in the effort towards many MANY MORE things in life (too many to deny- but call it 'everything', call it love perhaps). So "Freedom away from things that cheat us" as a general goal but allowing emotional intelligence to come to the foreground and as the main practice and work (call it therapy or the caring capitalism skipped totally for generations) and even helping each other solve other things - although I think arguable everything is solved, once the start and end of all communications (emotions) is out there.

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PROCESS THE EMOTIONS AS KEY TO EVERYTHING ELSE?
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When we are happy at the start and end of it all (and finding out why for things) then all the magic is done as "happy humans" do things fast and time flies. While playing our favourite music track on repeat and seeing donations come in to our favourite things that capitalism won't pay for directly, means we can really go further than capitalism and help it all get done without big commercial payment and #rugpulls.

Process emotions as you go and you could possibly solve or improve / unleash all the ways /motivation to solving the rest of the problems (mostly it's the motivation or method discovery because "I don't have time" or "you can't move away from Google" is usually a lie and mostly about the method and knowing even the limitation and accepting it more gladly to work towards it as the "justice" (personal and to others not getting mined by your communications). And so we reduce the fluctuating noise signals that come up in communications with more calm loving people doing better constantly with better people or at least in 'therapy mode' accepting people are not perfect but there in the circle to help each other do better, not kill each other in chat.

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BETTER ATTENTION TOWARDS HUMAN QUALITY INSIDE MORE THAN MACHINES EXTERNALLY
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Admins and programmers are largely victorious in mastering everything - we don't actually need more - just maintenance perhaps of things being the main thing which we see people instance doing - but now we have largely have go to the stage creating new things between each other that actually filling the human way or doing "what is not doing the human parts". Doing more programming and machine work with "human improvement work" perhaps is just allowing capitalism to take your work and plug it into their evil machine. We rather need human work of personal improvement as more of the "untouchable" change and mind power and not external machine-orientated control gates or code that forces things on people (other than voice or video chats and texting what do we need? Just people organising that and we're done).

What I see fit or better or even personally need is much more socially embracing than that for those that want and not just "alone together" like every other system almost.

Am I wrong in that last line of paragraphs above?

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QUESTIONS SHOWING BETTER HOW HARD IT IS TO MEASURE THINGS AND POTENTIAL FOR CHANGING:
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█ Scared people - How many people are scared that stops interaction? (it's hard to measure but surely exists and though I respect it, it's much like people scared to learn about life itself or go to school together. It's unavoidable and avoidable only at *all* our cost/detriment as we become non-players in life, feeding commercial consumption and interaction.

█ Learning / therapy - how many want to do that?
Going to back to a kind of social school where freedom and expression IS appreciated- rather than the "do as your told" style of places or banning people. What we need is more of a progressive accumulation of 'something' as a goal, training people as we go, where usually *we change* what is typically called "work" as "make money" and FORGETTING about individuals / treating them as disposable.

█ How much is me thinking there more potential when there isn't?
This what I want to find out and ask for your input... I think it can work even if you're different - let's say you might not believe in loving / accepting all people in this way... Is that the end of the story? IS THIS is all part of life and finding a way itself (your view on accepting people / self-love itself?).

█ Being each others Wonderwall as the fun in life ?
We might agree the current "System" by state doesn't serve us this love or wonder / trains us badly and is largely missing many things. And I compare all that to the social where we are also not aiming for better perhaps and could be....
"Because just maybe... you're going to be the one that saves me"
(Wonderwall by Oasis) https://invidious.fdn.fr/search?q=oasis+%E2%80%93+wonderwall
Lyrics - https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/oasis/wonderwall.html

█ How much do people want to help each other or causes?
Different levels of social or anonymous but just not "not to play at all" levels as default encouragement. YES I can message someone but there isn't the justice of reply or incentive of mutually solving anything clearly which is like the glue below us (in solidarity or whatever) - so fear or looking at appearances takes over...
As example try messaging a group on Fediverse, you hardly get a reply, nobody is there to reply! And then people are afraid to debate or take feedback that way... it's just all or nothing or one-way profiles (even by things claiming to help people which maybe it is in other ways).

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I NEED A SYSTEM THAT BRINGS OUT BEST IN ME AND IMPROVES THE WORST
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"The System" and the users could help interpret me better but currently it's more cold-functional than aiming for warmth and proving I'm a good person and multiply what good efforts I can do for others. Giving energy even for free I accept need management but often it can SIMPLY BE: DRAW US A PICTURE AND SEND IT and then people manage the work and pick what suits. Like a light-hearted competition to achieve the best between us while paying kudos (like #8bit anims and retro-video people do).

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HELP PEOPLE TEST (THEMSELVES) AMONGST OTHERS REGULARLY
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Largely people are expected to do the human parts on their own... which is the problem, but also the potential I see. So the "If I were the admin" then really mingling with people and see what they want and serving them the power to do it / test it is what will either grow people or help see "that's not it, I tried it, back to the drawing board"

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ORCHESTRATION NEEDED
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Even though there might be a large user base, it's largely un-orchestrated and could be for those who are able. And then to let those with less time or less ability to then come along more casually to something better organised - since some people can do it often or even non-stop and then that encourages everyone. If everyone doesn't start something or shy away because it looks bad or doesn't exist, then it only compounds that problem of not testing it at the least.

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IF IT'S JUST ME (TO START WITH) THEN AT LEAST WE CAN TEST THAT PART OUT NOW
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If I'm the "archetype" here (someone with energy and time at whatever level) then it's this solving of all personal things that we must do together that *enhances* all other things (and we have enough users to do that).
I'm sure this is just not my imagination though nobody is taught to sit and listen in order to sort it all out right? We are compartmentalised and think that works? NOOOor
In our imagination there are more ways of doing more together, and measurably this can tells us what works more and helps us get better at working in more ways! It's like schools that did things so rigidly it cuts out whole different ways of doing things.

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Money can't buy this cooperation.
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Other than compartmentalise and buy each other through a complex Capitalist system - surely we can do better than letting them siphon and tax our energy, time, money
Some chat sites do this well with "random" button or could be "random with these keywords". Dating sites also for example do it well (but that's also about sex so not as healthy but at least they get what they both want right? Which is what the exploration with people in general can do - not just always about sex).

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ALMOST ASK "WHAT'S THE WORST WAY AND WORST OUTCOME and do you get to similar conclusion to bind together as I do ?
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Humans not helping each other more personally basically is the isolation we complain about (in everything, you see it on social all the time).

While I understand people don't want the cruel "till the end" type of working it all out. That is exactly what is needed!

Aesthetics and ignoring the underlying problems (including us being more calmer and finding solutions amongst ourselves) is THE WAY FORWARD!

FOR ME PERSON #Money is literally devaluing people and at the same time doesn't help as it's 'defunding' people using debt material added to a system dilute it all, made from the very Banks themselves (shops that sell debt as the foundation for all life(!) and reasons for any unhealthiness / numerical cancer transferred to reality / lack of caring and less emotions for each other as I'm sure they don't care for people just money!).

#RUGPULLS = ANY #COMPANY
+ CHANCES 100% INCREASED WITH #VENTURECAPITALISM for #STARTUP #PROJECT

wHOOPS there goes another one!

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Rug%20pull

#Answers via #Book #Quote #Philosophy

The Answer to typical phrase:
"Who Care's About That?" / "I don't care" is...
= You do care ! (People always care about something) But perhaps not in 'that' way or this light of conversation... it does come back to self and unless people are suicidal they do have what they like and will listen to....

Just need to find what people do already or try find a way with others more.

No need make it about just " #Climate #Crisis " #climatechange but for the love of doing it ( #JustForTheLoveOfIt ) more than even these terms or any mainstream news that labels it or any brand of crisis. People might not understand these broader terms and yes even don't care beause they are not effected too much to deal with those terms first. But if they like dogs and cats or ecology or saving money, then so be it find a way!

If they like spending, maybe try go with it and try another way to promote some other action (it won't be forever) like buying plants or gardening tools to have fun with!

Just stick to the things they like and grow that or find more... cross over to something occasionally, ask, invite, mix people in to help people "go to the gym when they wouldn't ever try it themselves"

And this way the world is solved a bit sooner than you actually think going against people (the method is the important thing).
It is easy to be another scratch record so in writing this it helps see what people like already is also another way to go with them rather than against.

So what do you care about ?
(it does take time to answer) but it's usually something what you're doing already so can list it or copy and past ... and then talking about to help others 😉 -

A bit like this post! Just talk here or with someone else more about what you love, not just what you hate

🎀 THANK YOU 🎀
🎀 THANK YOU 🎀
🎀 THANK YOU 🎀

Given to people to base their whole of life on - almost totally - is for total #dependency / #slavery using debt while the whole system paying #extra for everything...

...the adding #Debt #Interest Fee$ while having to pay over and over again for fixed assets... with " #money " itself as something that someone had to pay the bank FIRST to get... ❓

(is money more closer to air / a voice just to "promise to pay it back" even if banks don't have it either ?)

...because banks 100% don't have all that #debt and #interest in total...

...they are a #shop #gambling with other people's lives and markets... to "sell them debt" too...

...and as #prices and #debt goes up and is increased...

...if you feel ill this is most probably why at the bottom of it all...

#Finance as good as #Fascism *

[* = authoritarian hierarchical government alloing banks to cheat people)

TLDR "Who's paying for this?" is the relative question to why money is political because it's not just money sitting on a tree or giving magically on it's own... people "make it" somehow (negative numbers) and choose how it's given (bias to what pays them back while arts and crafts in life die out)

people say it's only a neutral tool, like man giving another man a bucket with a hole in it.

#MONEY IS A HUMAN #TOOL FOR MAKING #DEBT!

#BANKS ARE LIKE SHOPS FOR SELLING DEBT! 🏦

ALL PEOPLE PAY FOR ALL DEBT
(how you say?)

EACH DEBT TAKEN OUT EFFECTS PRICE OF EACH DOLLAR IN *WHOLE* SYSTEM... IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE PERSON TAKING THE DEBT - IT'S EVERYONE USING THAT CURRENCY MONEY THAT IS EFFECTED AS MORE DEBT CHEAPENS EACH DOLLAR ETC!)

Countries like Zimbabwe show a version where they have "Trillions" on bank notes instead of 100's (but it's all the same at whatever scale of acceleration)

People will not believe another man will give another man a bucket with a hole and expect them to replace the leaky water (or governments tag-teaming with Banks to force people to take debt more often using their blood sweat and tears to replace debt). This replacement of leak with their energy give a power mechanism over people...

and some even know this faulty maths / negative number creation and still go fetch without aim of solving / reducing this leak... it's just not possible even if you played fair (debt always outgrows any actual money).

And as if they were playing "fair" and satisfied with this power advantage - they can actually re-loan each "money" (debt) upto 9 times - virtually inflating it even more (cheating people even more!)

↘️ (TEXT FOR PICTURE MIGHT READ) ↙️

THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS
TO YOUR HARD WORK
STORED IN BANKS, AS
THEY MAKE MORE DEBT
LIKE BUCKETS WITH HOLES 💲
CALLING IT "THE ECONOMY"

INSPIRED BY Blort™ posts
@Blort

█ https://social.tchncs.de/@Blort/112179458371994620
" No way to ensure profitability without a privacy rugpull, when VC's demand their money back. "

AND

█ https://social.tchncs.de/@Blort/112056842551116671
" #WireApp , which *had* a good privacy policy. They were bought and deleted all the clauses about not selling PII"

#ANTIRUGPULLCLUB ⬅️
⬆️ HASHTAG TO BE IN ♣️ CLUB 🎀
⬆️ ADD EXAMPLES OF #RUGPULL / #RUGPULLS

#Deleted Google OS?... #DeGoogle #Android

#Murena = #Freedom for phones
@murena / https://mastodon.social/@murena

#Money just helps magnify taking advantage of other people in a chain with people who devalue themselves (knowingly and not).
🔎 👨 🔍 🔎 👩 🔍

#Banks and #Government facilitate that as basis of all corruption and devaluation.
🏦 💶 💷 💵 💴 🏘️ 🏗️ 💲 📉

TLDR; "They are going to basically push all of us off of the system.

Pushed off the System
+ Planting Cowpeas for food!

Video (clipped for precise point 04.32)

https://bin.dembased.xyz/cahlenlee20240625plantingcowpeas.mp4

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- CahlenLee #Quote
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"They are going to basically push all of us off of the system.

And you won't be able to use their system.

You're dependent on the system, so that's the problem ok"

@cahlen
20240625 Video Time: 04.32

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Full Source: Whole episode about Cowpeas in survival context!
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https://cahlen.org/files/videos/2024/06/CahlenLee_20240625_PlantingCowpeas/CahlenLee_20240625_PlantingCowpeas.mp4

For those that don't understand the picture...

The woman looking back is thinking about going back to rescue the shoes while friend is screaming:

"Are you crazy?!"

Lesson: Don't expect all people to react to any obvious crises, and when you try help people, it can be with those who already had obvious limits!

I like the pic which I will call "Climate Change Shopping"

and Alt Text is good (but don't know how to add it, as below)

Tweet from @GeorgeMonbiot on 25 November 2018:

It is a news photo of two women crossing the flooded St Mark's Square, in Venice. Both are well-dressed and carefully carrying huge shopping bags from Louis Vuitton despite the water being thigh high.

One carries her fashionable little boots in one hand.

Tweet reads: "This is the way the world ends, not with a bang but a shopping spree.

The photo of our times,
by @ClaudiaManzoPh
#Climate #Change #Shopping
#ClimateChange

" Yes. This has to stop.

There is a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can’t take part; you can’t even passively take part, and you’ve got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you’ve got to make it stop.

And you’ve got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you’re free, the machine will be prevented from working at all! "

- h3artbl33d #quote / @h3artbl33d
https://exquisite.social/@h3artbl33d/112894385175323420

#STEM #Machine #Mentality
= Cold Work / Without People
- Less Permission and Power
- Consent and Education Eroded

= Ethics Reduced / Cut Out using #Technology #BigTech #AllTech