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Deceptive Patterns (aka 'Dark Patterns')

Hundreds of examples of deceptive patterns used by companies around the world.

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IndiGo manipulating emotions of users when booking flights to opt for travel insurance

Came across this “confirmshaming” dark pattern in the Indigo app when I was booking a flight. That’s when it “present users with opt-out labels that are worded in a derogatory or belittling manner, making users feel bad about choosing not to engage with the offered service”
IndiGo
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NCResq
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November 11, 2023
Google Workspace forcing users to sign up for the expensive free trial before downgrading to cheaper options

TIL: Crazy dark pattern for Google Workspace - it WILL not let me select the cheaper pricing plan when I'm signing up. After some research, I found out you have to signup for the expensive free trial and then search for the option to downgrade to the cheaper pricing plan.
Google
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bozo_eth
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November 10, 2023
Meta pushes user to “consent” to unrestricted use of their data

Meta’s new “consent” wall is scam that undermines the European Court of Justice’s ruling of July. This deceptive design pushes the user to “consent” to unrestricted use of their data. That includes intimate data that Meta obtains by tracking the user on other websites and apps.
Meta
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johnnyryan
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November 10, 2023
Lawdepot tricks users into annual contract

@harrybr I got charged £83.88 after a 7 day trial after clicking this. Wasn't expecting to be charged up front, but missed the PREPAID FOR ONE YEAR caveat
Lawdepot
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domparker
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November 3, 2023
Microsoft displays full screen forces ad pop-ups

Microsoft has started showing a fullscreen pop-up for Call of Duty: Modern Warfare III when you boot up an Xbox today
Microsoft
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tomwarren
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November 2, 2023
Mack Club hides the recurring subscription information in the same color as background

Eric July lists the prices to his "Mack Club", but makes the "monthly" recurring label the same color as the background of the site, tricking users into entering a monthly subscription without realizing it.
Mack Club
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dickmasterson
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November 1, 2023
DoorDash now warns you that your food might get cold if you don’t tip

Orders without tips included ahead of time look less lucrative to drivers, meaning you might be waiting longer.
Doordash
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Jennifer Pattison Tuohy
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November 1, 2023
MoveHub uses tricky opt-in opt-out for promotional emails

@darkpatterns Classic dark pattern from @movehub
MoveHub
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daviddobrinskiy
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October 30, 2023
IndiGo confuses users to make seat selection purchases through deliberate omission

Mystery over @Indigo 's clever seat-purchase ploy unraveled. While the seat selection is not compulsory, following are the ways the airline has tried to benefit from confusing travellers through deliberate omission. I explain below
IndiGo
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jagritichandra
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October 26, 2023
Porkbun misleads users opting out by not presenting neutral options

Deceptive UX practices at @Porkbun during the approval process for an outgoing domain transfer.
Porkbun
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paulNL
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October 24, 2023
Samsung tricks users to accept all its new terms and conditions including optional ones

Dark pattern of the day. Samsung sent me a notification to accept the new terms and conditions. The form was designed in a way to trick you to accept all the terms, including optional marketing ones... took me ages to find out how I can change my answers...
Samsung
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mariapage
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October 23, 2023
Twitter Is Throttling Patreon Links, Creators Say It Undermines Their Livelihood

Twitter is now slowing down traffic on links to the crowdfunding site Patreon, WhatsApp, and at times, Meta’s Messenger app, a Markup analysis confirms.
Twitter
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Jon Keegan and Dan Phiffer
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October 16, 2023
SamCart makes it hard for users to unsubscribe and deactivate

Talk about a unwelcome UX dark pattern @samcartapp pulls when you try to unsubscribe & deactivate. Forces you to watch a video to cancel (and not to mention an addition confirmation step after that). Got to reduce churn, but I hate it from a user satisfaction standpoint.
SamCart
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WillPhillips
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October 13, 2023
Stripe makes it impossible for users to know its monthly costs leading users to pay more

Stripe is a great product but also employs a massive dark pattern. It's almost impossible to know how much you pay monthly to use Stripe. There are bunch of reports you can try to download to analyze fees, but as you turn on their additional services (Revenue Recognition, Sigma, etc) it's basically impossible to see a breakdown of what you're paying. If people easily saw what they paid Stripe monthly (spoiler alert, it's a lot), I bet Stripe would have more competitors.
Stripe
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sm
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October 12, 2023
The Fork misleads users to subscribe to emails with trick wording

The ol' one-two mixed opt-in opt-out dark pattern from the fork . com
The Fork
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pgl
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October 11, 2023
GameStop sued for adding hidden charges during checkout

Yesterday, GameStop was sued in a class action alleging that it sneaks shipping & handling charges into customers' carts at checkout. Consumers say they selected "FREE Shipping" but were charged for it anyway. They seek at least $5M in damages.
GameStop
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RobertFreundLaw
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October 10, 2023
Navi Mutual Funds forces users to accept sharing data to access their funds

Be extremely cautious/avoid investing in Navi Mutual Funds @navifinance @_sachinbansal They have suddenly made it mandatory to share your contacts and location with them to access your funds at all. Can't even withdraw. Complete breach of trust and privacy. Figuring out where to complain but I'm taking my investments away from them for sure. And they say they need it "for best offers" 🙄
Navi Mutual Funds
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shantanugoel
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October 9, 2023
Rotato tricks users to purchase a plan by luring them with free plans

How to lose my trust: - mess with the order of plans and break the left -> right' convention and try to get me for the most expensive option - imply I can start for free while the only option is to purchase a plan.
Rotato
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Goroh_co
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October 8, 2023
X rolls out new ad format that can't be reported, blocked

Twitter / X is serving users with a new ad format that can't be blocked or reported the ads aren't even actual X posts & aren't connected to any X accounts. they do not disclose that they are ads it appears the ads are connected to clickbait ad networks
Twitter
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Matt Binder
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October 6, 2023
German Cartel Office published its Google decision on dark patterns and how to fix them

Here is the full draft decision and commitments. Strongly recommend reading and sharing. I’ve long said U.S. enforcers should mirror this check on market power. It’s 30 pages clearly explaining G’s surveillance and dark patterns and how to fix them
Google
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jason_kint
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October 5, 2023
Miku Inc. tricks users into a monthly subscription

My $400 baby monitor has locked previously free features behind a monthly subscription. The app used to send push notifications when the baby woke up. Now I have to pay $10 per month for that privilege
Miku Inc.
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darkpatterns
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October 4, 2023
Facebook and Instagram could charge for ad-free services in EU

A leading campaigner against Meta’s data practices said he would fight the proposals “up and down the courts” if the subscription fees were implemented
Meta
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Dan Milmo and Lisa O'Carroll
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October 3, 2023
Amazon presenting non-neutral options for refund

This is such a dark pattern by Amazon. They make it look like getting a refund to your original form of payment is not an option. Even though it is an option below but is not treated the same as other options.
Amazon
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mohitify
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October 1, 2023
European Consumer Centre Greece Consent Management Platform makes it difficult to reject all cookies

so sick and tired of these dark patterns in consent management platform tools. 'Reject All' does not reject all. You have to click on legitimate interests and 'object all'. That this is on the website of a consumer advice centre is just 🙇‍♀️🙇‍♀️🙇‍♀️🙇‍♀️
European Consumer Centre Greece Consent Management Platform
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PrivacyMatters
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September 30, 2023
Air Canada forces its customers to receive promotional emails

It's a dark pattern to force your users, actually, your customers to agree with receiving promotional emails when they buy from you. There's no way to disagree with it except by not buying plane tickets from @AirCanada . I wonder if it's legal in Canada...
Air Canada
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fharper
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September 28, 2023
Dufresne Group Pays $3.25M CAD for Dark Patterns and Unsupported Pricing

TDG offered consumers products at inflated regular prices and then marketed the products at big discounts giving misleading impression that consumers were savings on those products. The Bureau found that TDG advertised urgent, limited time offers to consumers, including using tactics like countdown timers.
Dufresne Group
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Kelly Harris & Jane Huang
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September 28, 2023
FTC Sues Amazon for Illegally Maintaining Monopoly Power

Amazon’s ongoing pattern of illegal conduct blocks competition, allowing it to wield monopoly power to inflate prices, degrade quality, and stifle innovation
Amazon
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darkpatterns
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September 27, 2023
Adobe tricks users into an annual contract

Guess what the billing period is for this Adobe license, as displayed on this "review your order" screen that appears before you commit? If you guessed "annual", you'd be correct, for some dumb reason. Adobe have really weaponised dark patterns in a truly user-hostile manner.
Adobe
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trawg
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September 27, 2023
Twitter 2FA premium subscription sign up doesn't actually take you into a subscription sign-up journey

This call to action is utterly disingenuous. It looks like you're being invited to add 2FA for security reasons. It's actually an advertisement for Twitter Blue (or whatever they're calling it these days).
Twitter
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darkpatterns
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September 27, 2023
Bundle Hunt adding hidden costs during checkout

@BundleHunt Eh, that's a bit of a sneaky dark pattern 🤔
Bundle Hunt
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iamj7e
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September 27, 2023
Select Blinds fined $10M for fake slashed prices, perpetual discounts and fake countdown timers

Does your ecom site use fake slashed prices, perpetual discounts, and/or countdown timers that reset? Select Blinds did. Now, they're paying $10M to settle a class action lawsuit filed in California.
Select Blinds
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RobertFreundLaw
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September 27, 2023
Lenskart sneaking a convenience fee during membership checkout

Convenience Fee for a membership @peyushbansal @Lenskart_com I would probably buy your membership at 49. Why do you have to switch and bait? I don’t care how sophisticated your app is, after this, you’ll be one of those companies that does scammy shit, for me at least.
Lenskart
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kalibuild
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September 27, 2023
Kayak automatically re-enables push notification settings after user disables it

Wow @kayak going hard on the Dark Patterns when I try to disable some push notifications and a magical ghost just pops them back on 👻
Kayak
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JesseSchoberg
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September 26, 2023
Blinkit using disguised advertisements by using same copy as system functions

IMO push notifications should not have the same copy as system functions. I also had not ordered anything. I saw this and thought someone was trying to call me and then realised it’s just a random notification.
Blinkit
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NCResq
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September 25, 2023
ChatGPT forces users to compromise on privacy by linking it to reduced functionality

Dark patterns are another issue. By default, ChatGPT users allow OpenAI to use their data for model training, exposing them to memorization risks. The opt-out interfaces unnecessarily link privacy with reduced functionality, and the more flexible control is hard to find and use.
ChatGPT
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tianshi_li
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September 25, 2023
Swiggy adding hidden costs during food order checkout

Holy moly. This is actual fraud and I found that @Swiggy is doing this even for me! Here's my last order and it adds up to 255.60. But they charge 259? This stinks. It can't be some random error, it seems to be on purpose to add rs. 3 extra. What's going on?
Swiggy
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deepakshenoy
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September 24, 2023
Facebook using trick working to target ads based on user activity

"Use this activity" is an unusual choice of words, huh. (screenshot from @facebook yesterday)
Facebook
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darkpatterns
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September 23, 2023
Fotor uses double negatives confusing users to opt-out of marketing advertisements

@darkpatterns this double-negative is a classic by now, thx @fotor_com
Fotor
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tuexss
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September 22, 2023
How Mastercard sells its ‘gold mine’ of transaction data

Mastercard knows where you shop, on what day, and how much you spend - and it sells that data widely to third parties like data brokers and advertisers. Our new investigation out today
Mastercard
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R.J. Cross
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September 20, 2023
Apollo makes its hard to cancel it's subscription by redirecting it to an unresponsive chatbot

Big time dark pattern by @MeetApollo when trying to cancel on their monthly self-serve plan. Cancel Plan button triggers a bot chat in order to cancel and then they don't respond 😑 @darkpatterns
Apollo
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thedbeaudoin
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September 19, 2023
LearnDesk makes it hard for user to cancel account for the past 3 years

It doesn't get more "sludge" than LearnDesk. Trying to cancel my account for the past 3 years. Now I finally get these instructions with a screen shot. Well, the "delete account" button does not exist on my profile.
LearnDesk
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c_a_gravert
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September 18, 2023
Twitter not labeling the advertisements attracting liability for non-disclosure

Twitter not marking ads as ads any more. I was wondering why this craptastic tweet was showing up in my TL. (It was an ad, just not marked as such)
Twitter
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RobertFreundLaw
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September 17, 2023
Google to pay $93m in settlement over deceptive location tracking

Tech giant ‘continued to collect and store a user’s location data’ even if users turned off their location history, according to suit
Google
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Johana Bhuiyan
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September 15, 2023
Irish Data Protection Commission announces €345 million fine of TikTok

TikTok fined €345 million and ordered to become legally compliant within 3 months. “The fine relates to non-private settings, lack of transparency and use of dark patterns.” 🙌
Tiktok
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darkpatterns
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September 15, 2023
Adobe makes it hard for users to cancel its subscription

Every year, Adobe sends me an email notifying me that they will increase the price of Creative Cloud from €29,99 to €52,06 per month (+44%!). And every year, I take the same steps to keep my old price: I pretend that I want to cancel my plan, stating it's "too expensive," and in the end, they offer a "special deal" for €29,99 for another full year.
Adobe
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bytebln
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September 15, 2023
Notion's subscription plan set to yearly instead of monthly without consent of users

What happens when a genius PM & UX designer work together at Notion? 👇 Backstory, I got $910 credits from Stripe Atlas to try out Notion. Cool, who doesn't like free credits! Finally, I used up all the credits and got charged $90. So I decided the party was over, let's downgrade the plan to free. But for some odd reason, the account is set to yearly, instead of monthly without my consent (Notion manually approves and applies the credit), and once I used up my credits. BOOOOM! My next invoice is set for Feb 2024 for a whopping $2,150.
Notion
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MrNick_Buzz
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September 15, 2023
Twitter is Still Throttling Competitors’ Links—Check for Yourself

The MarkUp has built a tool to see how much Twitter is throttling links to various sites. Conclusion - it’s doing it to all it’s competitors.
Twitter
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Jon Keegan, Dan Phiffer and Joel Eastwood
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September 15, 2023
Gatwick Airport website uses disguised advertisement to sign users up to a third-party monthly subscription

"By clicking above, you can join our partner programme for 15 pounds/month and claim your reward." This dialog is styled to look like part of the first party payment process, but in fact it's an advertisement for completesavings.co.uk.
Gatwick Airport
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darkpatterns
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September 13, 2023
Yoga Insurance obstructs users by making it hard to cancel their automatic renewal

This is @InsuranceYoga . You see this after you request to cancel automatic renewal. You're also required to enter a cancellation reason in a free text field. Viewing the discount takes you out of the cancellation journey - you have to start again if unhappy with the discount.
Yoga Insurance
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darkpatterns
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September 11, 2023
Order bars Intuit from engaging in deceptive practices in the future

Administrative Law Judge Issues Initial Decision in FTC’s Case Against Intuit Inc.
Intuit
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FTC
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September 8, 2023
Bluebird Group forces users to turn on OS notifications to use the app

You can't use @Bluebirdgroup app unless you turn on OS notifications.
Bluebird Group
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darkpatterns
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September 7, 2023
Programiz PRO disables unsubscribe page to prevent users from unsubscribing

@Programiz disabled the input and button on the unsubscribe page to prevent users from unsubscribing!? check it out at this link: programiz.pro/unsubscribe @darkpatterns
Programiz PRO
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khajimatov
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September 5, 2023
JPMorgan Chase Seeks to Prohibit Card Customers From Suing

Forced arbitration clauses are a fancy way for companies to force customers to waive their right to go to court when they’re cheated. And @JPMorgan @Chase just snuck them back into the fine print of their credit cards.
JPMorgan Chase
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walid
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September 1, 2023
JP Morgan Chase Forces customers to sign arbitration clauses to sign in

So @JPMorgan @Chase is forcing me into forced arbitration to sign into my account online. Anybody else seeing that?
JPMorgan Chase
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walid
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September 1, 2023
Users automatically enrolled in Amazon Prime subscription while choosing 'continue with Amazon Prime' delivery

I can't believe this dark pattern is still being used by @Amazon . If you're quickly clicking it looks like this button provides two options - continuing with Amazon Prime or continuing with normal delivery. If you do click this button by accident, you'll be automatically subscribed to Amazon Prime. There is no easy way to undo the subscription. So gross.
Amazon
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cameronsmith
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August 22, 2023
Peloton making users re-setup basic functionality to change their membership

Pausing your @onepeloton membership is really made to be a painful experience. Making you re-setup the bike to use basic functionality like you just formatted it. Plus the dark patterns just to change your membership.
Peloton
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chrislepensky
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August 22, 2023
The Sun (EU) uses a deceptive UI in its cookie dialog

Dark patterns in privacy. There are at least 3 problems with this EU-based cookie banner, can you spot them?
The Sun
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LuizaJarovsky
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August 22, 2023
Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron

‘This process is annoying enough the first time, but at some point down the line, you'll also be offered […] the "second chance out-of-box experience," , which will try to get you to do all of this stuff again if you skipped some of it the first time.’
Microsoft
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Andrew Cunningham
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August 22, 2023
Facebook requires group admins to manually remove every member from the group to delete a Facebook Group

Just found out that if you want to delete a Facebook Group you're in charge of, you have to manually remove every member one-by-one until you're the last one left, and then you have the option to remove/delete it. This is insanely asinine. 😠
Facebook
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PatFlynn
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August 21, 2023
Figma automatically charged its users when given file permissions

just got hit with my first surprise @figma billing where it added two editors to my bill and charged automatically when all I did was give them file permissions on one file. wild to me how a company who does so much good for the community still hasn’t fixed this dark pattern
Figma
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kyleturman
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August 19, 2023
YouTube accused of aiming ads at kids after promising it wouldn't do that

Adalytics alleges that YouTube appears to set long-lasting cookies specifically for users who are watching videos labeled "for kids." It also suggested that serves “targeted ads on YouTube videos that are clearly labeled as 'for kids.'"
Youtube
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Thomas Claburn
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August 18, 2023
Go on a date with a reporter to cancel your Wall Street Journal subscription

Wall Street Journal requires it users to go on a date with a reporter to cancel its subscription
Wall Street Journal
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soren_iverson
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August 18, 2023
Skype does not allow users a granular control of notifications

Skype is sending this notification once per day. For a communications app to abuse notifications in this way is unconscionable. Of course I can’t turn them off. I just have to endure the abuse. Absolute shame on Skype and Microsoft.
Skype
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benthompson
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August 18, 2023
Ekster held liable for using fake reference prices to run sales

Here's yet another class action about fake "sale" prices. Remember: using fake reference prices to run sales is illegal under the FTC Act and California's laws. This time, ecommerce wallet brand Ekster is in the crosshairs:
Ekster
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RobertFreundLaw
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August 17, 2023
Cancelling Amazon Prime: An interactive, behavioural remedy

Coglode Cures - Interactive Behavioural Remedies
Amazon
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Coglode - Cookbook
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August 17, 2023
Spaceship allowed upgrading of account but not downgrading

disappointed by the dark patterns I've encountered over at @spaceship ! pretty weak that you built the ability to upgrade your account but not downgrade.
Spaceship
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felixthehat
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August 17, 2023
YouTube Will Display a Blank Home Feed if Your Watch History Is Turned Off

You can choose to turn on your watch history to get recommended videos, or stick with a simpler home page.
Youtube
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Gael Fashingbauer Cooper
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August 9, 2023
Norway to fine Meta $98,500 a day over user privacy breach from 14 August

Norway's data privacy watchdog has fined Meta $6.8 million for violating users' privacy by using their personal data to target ads as it failed to get users' consent to use data about their interests to serve them personalized ads.
Meta
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Betsy Reed
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August 7, 2023
Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

Users agree to allow Zoom to access and use their Service Generated Data for various purposes, including product development, marketing, analytics, and improving their services, in accordance with applicable laws and this Agreement.
Zoom
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darkpatterns
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August 6, 2023
HP cover's USB port to push people into wireless printing

Pay no attention to the USB port behind the “no USB” sticker. Is covering a printer’s USB port with a sticker to push people into wireless printing the worst thing HP does with its hardware? Not remotely.
HP
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Adi Robertson
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August 4, 2023
WeBuyAnyPhone pressurizes users with a fake countdown and a free trial to trap in a recurring subscription

A double whammy of deceptive patterns from webuyanyphone.com. First, a countdown timer pressuring you to "secure this value" by checking out quickly. Second, a £5 bonus if you sign up for a "free trial" of McAfee, which sets up a recurring subscription. cc: @darkpatterns
WeBuyAnyPhone
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DavidOfYork
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August 4, 2023
Scribd highlights "Keep Subscription" option over "Cancellation" tricking users

This is ridiculous and I hate when companies throw dark patterns at their users to try and trick them into staying subscribed to apps. Very uncool, @Scribd
Scribd
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nicheplays
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August 3, 2023
TheAthletic makes it hard to cancel subscription by highlighting other options

Enough with the BS dark patterns! @TheAthletic cc: @darkpatterns
The Athletic
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thedbeaudoin
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August 3, 2023
Twitter changes its 'Ad' icon placement to make it difficult to scan and easier to be scammed

The 'Ad' icon placement and wording has changed on Twitter. Because your eye usually automatically scans to the place where it used to be, it's easier to get scammed at the moment by ads like this. Worth being a bit more careful than usual.
Twitter
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danbarker
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August 3, 2023
British Airways deploys settings ignoring all user input with a default to the most privacy invading configuration

3/n Next I dealt with @British_Airways deceptive design pattern approach to pushing surveillance cookies (misleading emphasis) cc @darkpatterns
British Airways
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cpltalk
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August 3, 2023
Figma does not provide any unsubscribing option to its users

I thought the unsubscribe button might have been black on black but… there is literally none! @figma @darkpatterns
Figma
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mthvrs
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August 3, 2023
Comcast and Xfinity makes cancelling service harder by making users chat with agents and bots

Hei, @comcast / @Xfinity can we stop with the dark patterns? I just want to cancel service, I don't care to chat with your agents and your bot is just a loop. Just stop the service already.
Comcast
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Xfinity
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mihaimaruseac
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August 2, 2023
Daily Express forces users into accepting cookies by bundling them together

1/Hello @Daily_Express I notice you're using dark patterns in a dire 'cookie' notice. (a) Defaulted to 'I accept' which would trigger NINE HUNDRED & TEN third party 'partners (b) Clicking 'More options' takes you to window showing a number of purposes set to 'OFF' & a choice of
Daily Express
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PrivacyMatters
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August 2, 2023
Thrive with KP uses tricky legal language to threaten people to give their data

This is some creepy dark pattern bullshit from @kpthrive . They're using the legally required language to threaten people into allowing them to profit of health data sales and sharing by making it seem as though you are somehow giving up HIPAA protections in order to protect data
Thrive with KP
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spjika
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August 1, 2023
Humble Bundle makes it hard to cancel subscription through tricky language and greyed out options

Trying to skip a month of @humble Choice is a cacophony of @darkpatterns . Too many steps, alternating button colors to trick you into clicking the wrong thing, inconsistent language, etc.
Humble Bundle
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ItsCovarr
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August 1, 2023
Crunchyroll replaces the cancel button with a "keep subscription" button making it hard to opt out

new dark pattern dropped. Cant cancel your @Crunchyroll account if you replace the cancel button with a "keep subscription" button! X should do this, seems effective.
Crunchyroll
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BritonBaker
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July 31, 2023
Specscart uses manual check boxing as a means to unsubscribe from email preferences

@darkpatterns Nonsensical unsubscribe button and check boxes. Am I unsubscribing by checking or subscribing? (Specscart)
Specscart
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lenainbros
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July 29, 2023
Dominos cash back reward tricked into joining partner programme for 15 pounds/month

We should boycott companies like @Dominos_UK that use these kinds of predatory schemes to try and trick people into subscriptions they don't need. Frankly this should be illegal. Especially the dark pattern that makes it look at a glance like it's part of the order process.
Dominos
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PhonicUK
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July 28, 2023
FTC’s Secures $18.5 Million Settlement With Publishers Clearing House for Alleged Dark Pattern Sweepstakes Tactics

. @PerkinsCoieLLP shares details of the $18.5M settlement Publishers Clearing House reached w/ @FTC following allegations of deceptive practices, such as the use of patterns to encourage entries and purchases.
Publishers Clearing House
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Amanda Beane, Wonji Kerper & Nathan Kosnoff
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July 25, 2023
Shutterstock deploys recurring annual plans or termination with massive penalty

. @Shutterstock is seriously the worst. I didn’t even know I signed up for an annual sub the way they do dark patterns in their checkout, now they try to hold you hostage by paying $60 to cancel? I haven’t used this in 4 months you got way more than your $60. Awful service.
Shutterstock
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lissijean
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July 24, 2023
Patient Company using trick wording to continue collecting data

6/ It really is important to understand that if a person selects 'More Options' then 'Reject All', then 'Save & Exit', those action do NOT disable the 'Legitimate Interest' purposes. A person would need to select 'Legitimate Interest' then select 'OBJECT ALL' & 'Save & Exit'
Patient
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PrivacyMatters
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July 19, 2023
MasterClass greys out option to reject cookies titled "Edit cookie preferences"

@darkpatterns get a load of this slimy shit
MasterClass
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ivanbelcic
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July 19, 2023
Meta uses surveillance based advertising

The Norwegian data protection authority is issuing a ban on Meta's use of surveillance-based advertising. Happy to see some actual enforcement of the GDPR!
Meta
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airavn
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July 17, 2023
A review of the manipulative design tactics used by Amazon to mislead consumers and keep them enrolled in Prime, according to the FTC

A few weeks ago, the FTC accused Amazon of using misleading design features to prevent consumers from cancelling their Prime subscriptions. Let’s break down some of the “dark patterns” the FTC identified:
Amazon
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TTP_updates
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July 10, 2023
The ‘Threads’ App is FILLED With Deceptive Dark Design Patterns – We Spotted More Than TEN - Yanko Design

The Threads app almost immediately displayed a whole bunch of dark patterns with its user interface. We spotted at least 11 of them, and we’re sure there are a lot more to come. Here are some highly evident dark tricks the Threads app is using to ensure you stay on the platform as long as you possibly can… and supply Meta with even more data than before.
Instagram
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Sarang Sheth
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July 7, 2023
Ultra Fast Keto Boost using fake scarcity and urgency to falsely urge customers to act quickly

Here's an example of how a false advertising claim about "limited supply" representations can survive a pleadings challenge: The makers of "Ultra Fast Keto Boost" ran ads claiming a "limited supply" and urging customers to act quickly.
Ultra Fast Keto Boost
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RobertFreundLaw
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July 7, 2023
Users are outraged and 'trapped' after realizing you can't delete Meta's new Threads app without deleting Instagram too

Apparently you can't delete threads without deleting Instagram. A new form of sludge! @jiayingzhao @R_Thaler @katy_milkman @ideas42 @CassSunstein @stuart_mmills @UofT_BEAR @avicgoldfarb @StephaneCoteTO
Instagram
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Charissa Cheong
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July 6, 2023
Adobe enrolls users into the subscription model using free trial

Dark pattern from @adobe . There’s no option to skip the trial and just use the free version, so the burden is on the user to remember to cancel.
Adobe
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MikeCalcagno
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July 5, 2023
Ubiquiti Inc application mandates creating an account to use while not so when accessed via the browser

Nice "dark pattern" there, @Ubiquiti . In the 'app', i MUST create a cloud account. But if I connect to the console via the browser, I can skip that step.
Ubiquiti
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leyrer
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July 5, 2023
SiriusXM Canada makes canceling subscription hard

It took over a half an hour of wasted time on the phone with @siriusxmcanada to cancel the other day. Called because of I must have said "please just cancel my account" at least 50 times. Ridiculous.
SiriusXM Canada
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fastpuppy
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July 5, 2023
Foot Locker creates false sense of urgency stating limited stock for its products

A lawsuit filed yesterday against Foot Locker accuses the brand of using a "false urgency" dark pattern—claiming items are running out of stock, when they aren't:
Foot Locker
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RobertFreundLaw
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July 4, 2023
Microsoft Edge used as default for links from Outlook app

If you have a Microsoft 365 Personal or Family subscription, browser links from the Outlook app will open in Microsoft Edge by default”
Microsoft
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darkpatterns
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June 27, 2023
Publishers Clearing House to refund customers $18.5 million in FTC settlement for ‘deceptive’ practices

This is our second dark pattern lawsuit over the last week,” Samuel Levine, director of the FTC’s Bureau of Consumer Protection, said of the PCH lawsuit in a written statement. “Firms that continue to deploy deceptive design techniques are on notice.
Publishers Clearing House
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Greg Iacurci
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June 26, 2023
Sydney Morning Herald requires users to call for canceling their subscriptions

Classic @darkpatterns from @smh this should be illegal. Or, they can ask you to sign up over the phone too!
Sydney Morning Herald
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JoelDignam
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June 22, 2023
FTC sues Amazon over ‘deceptive’ Prime sign-up and cancellation process

Complaint PDF here:
ftc.gov/system/files/ftc_gov/p
"Amazon used an internal term called “Iliad” to describe the process, referencing Homer’s epic poem about the Trojan War"
Amazon
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#FreeSchool⬅️(see hashtag)⬅️

Solving money donations / giving without charge... SOLVED? 

We need to solve giving money...

WITHOUT BEING TAXED / CHARGED FOR GIVING IT !!

ANSWER:
1/ ☑️ E-GIFT CARDS (ONLINE NUMBER TO AMAZON OR BETTER) 📮 / 💳
2/ ☑️ BANK TRANSFER FROM TRUSTED CENTRE PERSON / COMMON CENTRE

⚠️ (fees to move/give it reduces the overall value of all money ALSO when people pay to give it all the time!)

enables financial support from their community.

But 8% commission which might be the lowest of them all... as 8% and that's it (or maybe some more catches?).

not

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#FreeSchool⬅️(see hashtag)⬅️

" « Being a sysadmin is easy. As easy as riding a bicycle. Except the bicycle is on fire, you’re on fire and you’re in Hell. » "

- @framasky
/

🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥

note: Bicycle pictured does not give protection from fire or hell...
...or anything else. This bike is just for show!

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#FreeSchool⬅️(see hashtag)⬅️

You can't trust anyone working because they 'need' money (both boss and worker)... 

You can't trust anyone working for money, because they must find money (to save themself or family, even at any cost to humanity).

Individuals willing to sacrifice or come out of those loops might find another way, if they can avoiding new holes to dig themselves.

You can't trust anyone working because they 'need' money (both boss and worker)... because the they don't want or try to come out of slavery or the hole.

...keep working...?

Work on something else at the same time, even a bit?

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#FreeSchool⬅️(see hashtag)⬅️

More work for constantly unsatisfied UNCARING people ? 

More work for constantly unsatisfied uncaring people (?) is opposite to progress or not the right progress.

They are ungrateful and will even expect more after your extra work after a new 'normal' is set.

Effectively raising the bar on yourself like pushing pushing heavier weights as new normal.

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#FreeSchool⬅️(see hashtag)⬅️

OH WELL _shrug_ .... "NEEEEXT!..."

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#FreeSchool⬅️(see hashtag)⬅️

Trust Building with genuine #Anonymous + Feedback system 

1/ Building with genuine /

2/# Feedback
and in etc

While it's good to do some questioning and inquiry, reading of the last few posts to judge someone, looking at their avatar etc... you can't expect to understand everything connected in a short and in a non-deep way... That would lead us only to a newer Twitter ;)

So yes allow a bit of strange or weird (which is actually often the "new" or unique) sometimes / often.

No one person trusting anyone or using the job title as a kind of filter is also meanwhile not useful because it's not building trust properly by yourself ( by your not practising it or being too protective online without Capitalistic labels )...

You have people that don't answer some people based on avatar which is being too sensitive while they might put their name and address everywhere somehow trusting everyone else in the world!!...
(not going to name who but it's quite hypocritical because online is a lot safer as any real risk and more people are just scared of a user online without educating themselves).

Trust-as-you-go is also possible and means things are totally blind or totally "anon" (take a deep breath!). Even if I say I am this or that as / / / then still by what I say and do online, what I and other boost and have done with others IS tangible -

You can feel free to question that if you cannot just work positively forward as 'best we can' and with constant clarity as main parity check along the way publicly as safety somewhat and privately...

MY FURTHER IDEAS & THOUGHTS AS CHECK AUTHENTICATION (somewhat)

One or more people can make tangible trust between those others that have already talked to / experiences with and can prove for others they are ok or at basical communicable level

And even dox them or their actions if really really really needed. It's like more community eyes on us where pointing fingers also is a judge on you (rather than silent judgement people don't see and is your error in withholding / not giving trust / Ubuntu but in negative form).

Most people don't want to do do bad or have reasons we need to sort anyway... even or genre in general are amazingly honest and obvious flavours and still truthful to themselves at least so not bad at that level either - actually very clever too usually and diverse in creation and even truth. Honest in that (even clear racists) are helpful to see online and serves them too with outlet usually without violence if it does then we need to know about it too which trusting more does)

We accept somewhat distrust but as part of building from where we're at can use all people willing and accept filtering and even openly justifying why...

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#FreeSchool⬅️(see hashtag)⬅️

#Trust #Transparency #Realness * with #Anonymous / ID Protective people on #Fediverse especially * 

What is missing on Fediverse and everywhere now certainly in real life for various reasons mentioned... which doesn't make anonymous people guilty of a crime or bad, but almost the regular opposite though systems or people can assume otherwise without name, age, birth etc info which makes people uneasy without.

So I CC: you here as alternate way of saying some of what we talked about before and alternate evidence (not just my experience and testing with people / you).

CC: Chris H @hutchingsmusic
CC: @freemo QOTO admin
CC: @freeschool (me)
CC: Amiya Behera @amiya_rbehera
CC: Joost van Baal-Ilić
@joostvb
CC: @DarkOptimism (audio speaker)

Feel free to boost if you think others can comment on this as further opinion...

DEEPER VERSION BELOW
FOR THOSE ABLE TO BELIEVE....

This audible version says my heart what many of us say in various ways, which I can accept is a better interpretation or needed as various medium to bridge to each other. Audio shows underlying and even main problems of why problems continue (!)

Again many ways can lead to similar ways but the same / ID ways online can often lead but it's "safety" to the same limited bad ways for 'good' 'spam-free' filters people's brain does online... all this is great for for States and System's when people reveal themselves online (Scholars I understand a bit more if out there or career making) but often assume there is no other way and makes it too easy for Capitalism to see / pin comms, and then work on preventing them. I could give you examples but jail time for speaking out (without violence, without much) is actually enough evidence itself (unless you don't believe there are people sitting in jail now too easily from their own evidence - could have been a bit better and assumed one day it would come to that).

Much like a wing-man or wife speaking for their partner, people like Shaun Chamberlain @DarkOptimism (whose work I really recommend) are needed to talk for us (and OK more credible as representative of principles / not titles as much as that shows some skill) and show others a more accepting or measured way to get us all there and what we anon feel excluded from and able to do (if not block us after!).

Shaun helps people see and bridge their own gaps (it is your gap not mine but I don't mean everyone listed here or that I'm perfect).

But you're able to do more with me / other / anon people, spam-looking even who still hold logic, persistence, usable energy etc and include them and not just ignored based on pseudo-name, nickname, username,... or dodgy looking links you don't even test

Not people defining themselves by capitalism's "work", not just in tech (where it can help see another pure coder) but everywhere now less are doing the caring work and head in computers (the hard stuff and what coders might be avoiding / running from because we are reliably imperfect - and human, but doesn't make us bad or helping humanity get better by not doing more of or coding ever more disposable code). Humans also transfer many things reliably and in the now.

Robotic and too safe / sterile
= less trust, friendship, practise, ...

Not doing the deeper human work then yes you're part of a culture in decline...

...yes even without name or passport control or answering adequately "where are you from?' questions... all of that can be too much now we are culturally / historically raped, all mixed or sterilised in some form, or just disconnected. And wish to focus on other stuff first... maybe even therapy of all that along the way for everyone...

We shed identity of Capitalism's kind and Capitalism also raised the bar of being complicit in 'system' / types of uncaring

🛂 ID is the same copy and paste for uncaring Capitalism as a conditional start (and end) to everything, so make note of that. 📔

Those questions are even not so needed (but ok if some want to answer but accept some don't) We also most certainly will offer it later don't worry - just not in your order currently.

You need to have better faith than me at least- and if you don't - justify it... so that our survival in the future isn't just about people who didn't try with genuine people (assume 99% are or testable as-you-go to understand what their type IF it not clear from profile or first messages).

Can't ignore anonymous real responsive logical people, activists who know what we use online, and good reason for being protective (nothing to do with you directly) and yes almost a curse we have on ourself to bare like not having Facebook but hold highest principle of self-protection from system holding close because we know data collecting and mapping and whatever is all future 'prevention' in the making from our comms and *IDentifying* people.

Repeat this audio a few times.
And find more chance for us to do more. Or tell me more why now.
Thank you.

========

WITH "more anonymous" in mind people like me .... i.e. Less defined by role in society (since anyway we are rejected) and less ID or less passport upfront means even don't understand a different version of - such that activist-scholars don't understand or want to understand other too well - which means they can't practise without psychological unrelaxedness even when a genuine anonymouse comes a long. Staying inside activist-scholar realms is also dangerously easy to shut down.
I could tell you how but I think those than almost dox themselves are also needed and part of it - each can work in their own way.

And instead play it so safe it can play our reasoning or even coming out of boxes and assumptions.

The reasonable expectation and interactions

Because I / we are frequently ignored based on prejudice of holding back our exact identity or profession (we are protective from system more than anything but doesn't mean we want to attack everyone we contact and profile says a lot about a person which make us no totally anon / random / without principle)

The value of being yourself more than your position in Capitalism or Scholarly position *first*... can be seen by people who don't reply back for x/y reason (mostly not taking the time to check even though they might want to do that anyway - I could put a better front fascia but at least honestly I don't)

The quality of believing in people, Trust-as-you-go or "at the speed of Trust" and increasing reassurance rather than ignore or shut comms down.


* with / ID Protective people on especially *

Others I thought of:
CC: Chris Adams
@mrchrisadams Science and Justice.

CC: @gabriel

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#FreeSchool⬅️(see hashtag)⬅️

Error #4004 [ #Psychological #Care Error ] 

Imagine people and parents who are willing to push their children into selling themselves... 🤑

Parents who *know* the banks are cheapening "their" hard-earned money so that it's no longer is the same in worth. 🏦

Yet they are willing to work endless hours and accept abuse (to themselves and children) :nes_fire:

It's one big error...

And so the children's future... one big #4004...

Error #4004 [ Error ]

Do you care enough about much of life (i.e. it's people's growth with it?)

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#FreeSchool⬅️(see hashtag)⬅️

Surviving the Future audiobook by Shaun Chamberlin [based on David Fleming's Lean Logic] 

@DarkOptimism 📚 🔈

Surviving the Future audiobook by Shaun Chamberlin [based on David Fleming's Lean Logic]

🔈 Just finished listening to the Surviving The Future audio 🔈

📚 Really good free audio book ⭐ :thumbsup_hmn_h2:

darkoptimism.org/2022/11/18/su

You can buy the paperback and give back too to both authors!

Surviving the Future audiobook by Shaun Chamberlin [based on David Fleming's Lean Logic]

📻 Great radio feel audio with commentary by Jimmy Buff and Peter Buffet which confirms what I think we all can do ONCE WE HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS TO FOCUS ON... They both cover your / their / David's perspectives very nicely as audio and reflecting on it...

=================
TALKING AS THE FUTURE?
(VOICE AUDIO?)
=================
Therefore a voice tool like vocaroo.com/ is what I see as that potential within a trusted circle (which could be screened by 1 or two main trusted people (like yourself Shaun) and then all others much safer from that. We have to give it a go...

I know you're doing that in a scholarly type setting but for those 'lesser' or 'anon' we need simple and in to talking, no zoom or complicated zoom or googlisms - As you see on Fediverse many people don't answer people without ID-ing them or without having credentials - your word is often not enough or it's a cut-off point and up-front ultimatum / fascism almost for those dying to help without being ID'd or in forever data loops..

CC other interesting people / similar: @markhburton

I welcome anything else to do / consume well as a practical and educational consumption - towards life-changingness as we essentially want / need to find out...

And I'll keep working on perhaps finding people that suit me and perhaps add in similar audio field...

i would be happy to add something for you via:

vocaroo.com/

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#FreeSchool⬅️(see hashtag)⬅️

UK Activism Tour Dates [19-27 Oct] by Stop Shopping Choir UK & Rev Billy 

UK Activism Tour Dates
19-27 Oct by Stop Shopping Choir UK & Rev Billy


colchesterartscentre.com/direc





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TOUR DATE+AREAS:
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SUNDAY 20 OCTOBER: HASTINGS
The Stables Theatre & Art Centre

MONDAY 21 OCTOBER: BRIGHTON

Attenborough Centre For The Creative Arts

TUESDAY 22 OCTOBER: CANTERBURY
Gulbenkian Arts Centre

WEDNESDAY 23 OCTOBER: COLCHESTER
Colchester Arts Centre

FRIDAY 25 OCTOBER: CAMBRIDGE

Cambridge Junction

SATURDAY 26 OCTOBER: LONDON
Newington Green Meeting House

SUNDAY 27 OCTOBER: BIRMINGHAM
Midland Arts Centre

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#FreeSchool⬅️(see hashtag)⬅️

Be weird, stay unique! Show heart! Make Friends!... 

Too many shelling up like turtles... 🐢 or running like turkeys 🦃 and chickens🐔

❓ Make friends rather than just one way stuff :arrow_following: ... 🔁 :

🖤 What defines you? ( ONLY Anti-Apple / Amazon / M$ hate stuff ?)

❤️ What can we do together rather than just observer most of the time?

<->

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#FreeSchool⬅️(see hashtag)⬅️

UK Tour (advert)

etc (all good wholesome stuff - best of)

"The Church of Stop Shopping"
coming to UK 🇬🇧

📆 Saturday, October 19 at 4 PM
➡️ Ocean Rebellion Exhibition

revbilly.com/events/uk2024/

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverend

Tickets (Consider it like a donation for so much daily work they do)
click.actionnetwork.org/ss/c/u

🌎Friends,

We’re going to the UK in 10 days, so check out these times and places and GET YOUR TICKETS NOW and if you have friends in the Uk please send them to see a show or put them in touch to join an action. We rely on word of mouth.

in the are dealing with a chilling on protest and dissent, lengthy terms for actions and new that box in and movements.

We have always thought of these tours as cultural exchange and over the years we have really made some beautiful work together.

WATCH ! collaborations with BP or Not BP at British Museum & Liberate Tate at the Tate Modern

We are joined once again by singers from the , our 3 year old sibling choir based in London, and invite you to first (unticketed) event at this Ocean Rebellion Exhibition in Shoreditch on Saturday, October 19 at 4 PM


***We are also in need of some singer accommodation in London on October 26 & 27 if you have a friend with an empty house or even just a spare bedroom or two—we mostly just need places to sleep. Contact Savitri ***

Many thanks to Anthony Roberts, Catherine Turner & The Colchester Arts Centre for once again making it happen, see you soon..

GET TICKETS


Donate

The Church of Stop Shopping POB 1556 NY NY 10013

Image credits: Lydia Daniller, John Quilty

Sent via ActionNetwork.org. and The Stop Shopping Choir

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#FreeSchool⬅️(see hashtag)⬅️

If you accept sky high property prices ... 

➡️ with no caps
➡️ no safety for future children
➡️ as predictable of sorts,

If you accept that then

[insert the rest of this yourself because I'm not sure what to say for people who do seek for a better way or create possibility for something that doesn't put the brakes on what they already see ahead]

/
your work and value using ( )

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#FreeSchool⬅️(see hashtag)⬅️

Starving people are more grateful to get food / have access. But...cruelty comes in different ways... 

People often say "but what about food" for whatever horror banks / government are doing.

There is little worth easy food for what we get in return - more problems and expectation to work more...

People are not grateful for man-made restrictions to access and financially cooking people alive using food as the medium for a lure / trap / usury.

I consider it cruelty and cause of suffering for people to ride others like that even if it's not obvious by top-level people who putt arbitrary / keep-them-working numbers to things just to maximise people / tax etc... basically things are whatever it means to them (increasingly crazy and meaningless life) and keeps people sending them money and %'s through a system (of getting money)...

Those people pay the minimum for us, take the profit and often go to with it too because they don't care ultimately otherwise they would find a way to talk and care and make most people happen (I feel it's the opposite and they are totally not interested).

People more interested in warring on their own people and others- can't be trusted.

Grow your own food, get out of traps etc...

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#FreeSchool⬅️(see hashtag)⬅️

Logo is great by AlmaLinux - Reasons why + Community comments (as side-topic) 

Logo is super by AlmaLinux
on :fediverse:
@almalinux
---============----
Reasons:
---============----
1/ Captures a whole community vibe, hearts as people (not just for children to draw but grown ups too to visualise even as business-like, more-rigid logo - linking is cool)

2/ elegance like yin and yang

3/ but also people are more directly in the picture so suggests more clearly it's a people thing and orientated as (also rare)

4/ like shape also adds possibility that is the of it all or doing it together with hands in the middle, no matter what colour you are / where you are from.

---===============----
Personally... about my logo
and community needs...
---===============----

➡️ My logo was aiming for the similar few things mentioned but was much more mono-chrome / black and white...
🔵 3 people connecting personally to each other in an inside circle of exchange
⚫ Outside circle = achieving new level of being some kind of "community" (3+ busy people can do a lot of good in short time)

It's hard enough with 3+ communicating but it's so worth it to achieve any level of community... and therefore practice humanity that comes with it. Individuals can't do humanity on their own very well or it's hit and miss with others...

I'm personally having a lot of trouble as 'anon' or as nickname. Seems people really care about that to start with...

Not many see to what you write about or try for... many can't use free talents or extra hands when it's free... can't accept I keep it low profile online.... even though they know online dangers (not from individuals but more the larger fish). It's sad and possibly growing trust is one of the best things (including trusting other more often).

But glad to hear AlmaLinux is heading for the right ways which this review below shows...

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(just saw this review
I the post below....)
---===============----

" I think checks a whole lot of boxes:

* Run as many copies as you wish
* No need to register/authenticate to get binaries, source or patches
* LTS for everybody
* Security track record looking good
* Won't be bought and absorbed by RH
* Friendly, helpful
* Close enough to RHEL (and pretty much a standard of its own at this point)
* User-centric "

⬆️ Positive comments by Steven Rosenberg @passthejoe / ruby.social/@passthejoe/113267

:thumbsup_hmn_h2: :thumbsup_hmn_h2: :thumbsup_hmn_h2: :thumbsup_hmn_h2: :thumbsup_hmn_h2: :thumbsup_hmn_h2: :thumbsup_hmn_h2: :thumbsup_hmn_h2:

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#FreeSchool⬅️(see hashtag)⬅️

#Cyberpunk game comments for #DeusEx... 

comments I chose...
game

Louis_Cypher
Joined Jan 1, 2016
Messages 1,879

Sep 5, 2023
#1

It managed to capture the true spirit of our time, the erosion of rights like privacy or freedom of movement, the erosion of ancient national traditions, of spiritual convictions that grant dignity to human life, or inherited ethnic roots, by globalist cabals, in favour of rootless consumers, and a homogenous global migrant labour force, in a way very little else has. A French woman lamenting the loss of national sovereignty, tastes, and identity, to globalist-driven internationalism. Political change that was never sought, elected, or given democratic mandate, driven by faceless cabals. American nationals rebelling because the principles of the American Revolution have been sold out to international finance. If a certain type of fiction, is meant to take a serious look at society, it looks downright prophetic compared to things that pose as serious observational takes today. To be fair, cyberpunk of all kinds predicts a dystopia, but Deux Ex presented it's case in a way that has aged like wine. At the time, I just thought it was a cyberpunk trope to imagine the worst corporation-ruled excess, in which everything was commodified, and that Deus Ex was one permutation of this future. Today, we have seen the entire planet locked down, a vaccine administered without years of trials that usually accompany a new medicine, campaigns directed against the heritage of nations, school-imparted historical illiteracy; so Deus Ex's depictions of disaster policy, or how information is controlled, looks very apt.

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Most criticism of globalism, around then, used to be leftist, at least outside America; more anti-capitalist agenda driven, seeing class as the only dimension of life, rather than being just generally pro-living things, pro-truth, anti-exploitation, they were vaguely socialist or anarchist. This was before most European and American leftists, usually middle-class, were revealed to care more about rootless internationalism, access to exotic food, and open border migration than their own people's suffering or welfare. The majority of socialists were revealed as the ally of globalism, their media using tools of 'social justice' to further erode actual justice. Primarily leftist critiques tended to suppress the ethnic-denying and destroying component to globalism. National tribes being one of the principle barriers to internationalism and thus one of the foremost targets of globalist propaganda. Suddenly nations that had been homogenous for 20,000 years, with organic customs, were "always migrants", etc. Deus Ex was more balanced, showing that the nation state has been a potent barrier to international financial agendas, often the primary means a people had of resisting global empire. Showing favourable attempts at resistance rooted in American, French or Chinese national tradition.

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Even Human Revolution is suprisingly true to the spirit of the first game. I think it's the second solid entry. Taking a look at science magazines and predicting where transhumanism would be in a decade or two through short 2-page ebooks. Some of it's in-game takes now look remarkably based for a 2011 cross-platform game on Xbox 360, PS3 and PC; criticism of the EU (something that is a totally contentious in some circles now), United Nations and cartels like the Bilderburg Group. Media that focused on something other than predictable establishment approved messages, was given more of a pass in those days. Whether or not they just threw whatever interesting 'conspiracy' they had into it, or had a more concerted world view, it worked out well.

Cat Headed Eagle
Joined Jan 21, 2023
Messages 3,593

Sep 5, 2023
#2

Deus Ex is relatively formulaic in its presentation, it's basically the core cyberpunk values as developed in the 80s but adorned by late 90s americana. Much of it is there in William Gibson's works. Cyberpunk is basically an answer to reaganomics and the cocaine induced enthusiasm of 80s yuppies. Deus Ex didn't create anything, but it is the best example of cyberpunk in gaming, because it is very matter-of-fact, and every aspect of cyberpunk and its aesthetic and themes are taken at face value.

buffalo bill
Joined Dec 8, 2016
Messages 1,039

Sep 5, 2023
#3

as fiction, neuromancer > > > deus ex

AlwaysBrotoMen
Joined Aug 30, 2023
Messages 259

Sep 5, 2023
#4

System shock, Blade Runner, and Snatcher are also good examples of cyberpunk.

Louis_Cypher
Joined Jan 1, 2016
Messages 1,879

Sep 5, 2023

#5

Blade Runner is aesthetic, but relatively 'apolitical'.

My favorites would be Ghost in the Shell, Blade Runner, The Matrix, Syndicate Wars, and Deus Ex.

Madclown
Joined Sep 4, 2023
Messages 1

Sep 5, 2023
#6

I feel as the term "Cyberpunk" has been perverted a good bit over the years, but yes, Deus Ex, and to an extent the prequels are contenders, at least with regards to computer games.

NecroLord
Joined Sep 6, 2022
Messages 13,140

Sep 7, 2023
#7

If I remember correctly Mike Pondsmith played Deus Ex and said it is not Cyberpunk (but he did like it).
It certainly lacks some of the style and flash associated with Cyberpunk, but it is a Dystopian setting.
With that being said, Deus Ex is one of my favorite games. It has left a strong legacy and its influence can be felt up to this day.

JamesDixon
Joined Jul 29, 2015
Messages 11,318

Sep 7, 2023
#8

Deus Ex is not cyberpunk since Denton is working for the government. Which renders the entire game CyberCorpo or CyberGov if you want to nitpick. To be punk one must be rebelling against the gov or the corps and stealing their shit so you can survive another day. In other words, you have to be a runner or a cowboy that operates outside the law.

NecroLord
JamesDixon said:
since Denton is working for the government

At least for the first part of the game.

Classic cyberpunk characters were marginalized, alienated loners who lived on the edge of society in generally dystopic futures where daily life was impacted by rapid technological change, an ubiquitous datasphere of computerized information, and invasive modification of the human body.

— Lawrence Person

JamesDixon
Joined Jul 29, 2015
Messages 11,318

Sep 7, 2023
#11

I missed this. I don't see how Reaganomics played a role in it since Cyberpunk originated with New Wave Sci-Fi of the 1960s and 1970s. Philip K. Dick published Do androids dream of electric sheep? in 1968. From 1962 till 1968, LBJ was in office. Nixon didn't get into office until 1969.

Tyranicon
Joined Oct 7, 2019
Messages 7,453

Sep 8, 2023
#12

JamesDixon said:
marginalized, alienated loners who lived on the edge of society in generally dystopic future

....Philip K. Dick published Do androids dream of electric sheep? in 1968. From 1962 till 1968, LBJ was in office. Nixon didn't get into office until 1969.

good book but it's not cyberpunk

way closer to cyberpunk is 'the shockwave rider' by brunner from 1975, which has a cool pre-internet vision of the internet and phone phreaking type hacking. but that's really also proto-cyberpunk

if you don't think gibson defines the genre, you're being dense

PorkyThePaladin
Joined Dec 17, 2013
Messages 5,376

Sep 8, 2023
#15

Louis_Cypher said:
...

Lol, funny post.

"Suddenly nations that had been homogenous for 20,000 years"

Name one nation that has been homogenous for 20,000 years. :)

There is nothing wrong per se with wanting to globalize the world. It's the most logical position for anyone who has learned about all the pointless wars of history, and sees (somewhat accurately) the human race as a bunch of violent monkeys on some speck of dust floating in space. Not to mention that this is a likely prerequisite for starting to colonize space.

The issues with it are:

1. It's one thing to have globalization as a gradual goal to aspire to, but it's another to shove it through at insane speed before various groups are ready for it. That's how you get let's say Euro countries flooded with immigrants from various backward nations, who start imposing aspects of their backward cultures on the locals which are not welcome.

2. The way the world is constructed, good things often lead to bad things. So while globalization is a good thing in many ways, it also makes us susceptible to the downsides of human nature much more that a more decentralized model. If you have a bunch of different nations, and one of them gets taken over by a horrible government, all the others are still ok and can counter it, but with a global government, if it turns bad (as every government in history at some point does), it's much more difficult to get rid of it.

General Disarray
Joined Feb 7, 2019
Messages 204

Sep 8, 2023
#16

I have actually been trying to familiarize my self a bit more with cyberpunk and similar subgenres recently. Like JamesDixon if you take a hardline stance the theme and setting is cyberpunk, but the character is not. Instead it is tech noir or cyber noir. Usually works like this like Ghost In The Shell gets classified as post cyberpunk, which to what I gathered is simply cyberpunk but has loosed the requirements of having a punk protagonist and also is accepting that technology could benefit humanity. Post cyberpunk being developed in the nineties where normal people started to interact with the modern internet and use computers in their daily life and thus making a lot of the 80s cyberpunk look hopelessly dated, archaic and a fantasy.

Maxie
Joined Nov 13, 2021
Messages 7,964

Sep 8, 2023
#17

snow crash the book is better because it's playful and schlocky, meanwhile deus ex is a soulless 'punk' product

Hobo Elf
Joined Feb 17, 2009
Messages 14,131

Sep 8, 2023
#18

Deus Ex the first game may very well be one of the best works of fiction ever made regardless of genre. Its sequels.. not so much.

Kev Inkline
Joined Nov 17, 2015
Messages 5,378

A Beautifully Desolate Campaign Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire Pathfinder: Kingmaker Steve gets a Kidney but I don't even get a tag.

Sep 8, 2023
#20

Did you guys know that Pondsmith says he was more influenced by Hardwired by Walter Jon Williams than by Neuromancer? I think the former is also up there with the best of the genre. I wouldn't let Pondsmith's opinion what makes a piece of media cyberpunk be of any guidance, anyways.

JamesDixon JCD is marginalized and working alone like 80% of the game, I wouldn't let his origins dissuade anyone from classifying DX as cyberpunk.

DX1 is about the best of the genre in computer gaming, but as people have pointed out, storywise alone it's nothing groundbreaking.

JamesDixon
Joined Jul 29, 2015
Messages 11,318

Sep 8, 2023
#21

buffalo bill said:
good book but it's not cyberpunk

if you don't think gibson defines the genre, you're being dense

DADOES is cyberpunk whether you like it or not.

See folks this is your brain on drugs. Nowhere in my reply that he quoted did I say anything about William Gibson's work. What did Gibson do that added to the cyberpunk genre? He added netrunning. That's it. Gibson is influential, but he's not the father of cyberpunk.

Kev Inkline said:
@JamesDixon JCD is marginalized and working alone like 80% of the game, I wouldn't let his origins dissuade anyone from classifying DX as cyberpunk.

I'll side with Mike Pondsmith on this one. He is the father of the Cyberpunk RPG and he says it's good sci-fi, but it's not cyberpunk.

Last edited: Sep 8, 2023

Falksi
Joined Feb 14, 2017
Messages 10,912

Sep 8, 2023
#24

Fucking Masterpiece of whatever it is

forum source:
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#FreeSchool⬅️(see hashtag)⬅️

"Our Choice of Futures"

Imagine and create a new future!...

Nice picture... I didn't play the game as I'm using my time playing the of instead - but I don't mind using the mottos and meanings for real life as all of it can be used to imagine!

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#FreeSchool⬅️(see hashtag)⬅️

replies (your if needed)

the + some comments after this list...

➡️ "NO COMMENT SIR... / MADAM"
➡️ NO PERSONAL DETAILS NEEDED
➡️ "CAN I SEE THE EVIDENCE FOR THAT OFFICER?"
➡️ "UNDER WHAT POWER?" (engaging)
➡️ NO DUTY SOLICITOR
➡️ NOT ACCEPTING THE CAUTION?

Also at the end about wasting police time (I.E. COSTING THEM MONEY AND MAN-POWER)
and capitalism hates that...

Because they find nothing much and that's usually bad or better for your side to carry on doing things elsewhere!

+ my lame advice under each point

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LONGER LIST + REASONS
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➡️ "NO COMMENT SIR... / MADAM"

You do not need to answer police questions, so don't.

To be polite if you can't just carry on try say "no comment" and move away.

➡️ NO PERSONAL DETAILS NEEDED

Unless you accept you did something and even threats of evidence aren't enough.

You do not have to give personal details under ANY stop and search power, so don't.

➡️ "DO YOU HAVE THE EVIDENCE FOR THAT?... CAN I SEE THE EVIDENCE FOR THAT OFFICER?"

(engaging / calling their bluff)

Police saying "I'll do xyz" is not always the same as doing it - so asking for evidence is good for killing their time and seeing what they have.

⏱️ Taking you the police station takes them a lot of police time ⌚ so don't think it's always what they want even if they pretend to!

I have said "ok let's go" many times after seeing how well time wasting has worked and after a while they leave me alone realising this person IS A *REAL* WASTE OF TIME!! LOL after I pretend to be a potential fish (while I know others are do good work elsewhere)

Don't say it straight away but see what they have and if it works for occupying time go for it! It's a winner!

Taking police people time = loss of man-power on the ground (2+people + vehicle) which can be good for your teams to get rid of them in area

+ they have to do admin after so talking is usually ALL bullshit and just to get you to react and they don't really want to leave the action lol !!

They probably rarely get the chance - so them going back to HQ to realise you did nothing is a crap result and real time waster!

Baiting arrest to reduce their numbers can be good for those that don't mind arrest as a sure way (arrest only means temporarily taken - IT DOES MEAN you're guilty !!! )

So if you said very little from start then chances are your out after half a day and achieve the task of distraction / reducing their on-the-ground numbers).

Don't do anything too wild to get everyone in trouble, should be mostly an alone thing and "oh no why are you taking me?,,, ok let's go" almost :)

Otherwise "no comment" and carry on if you can in silence.

➡️ "UNDER WHAT POWER?"

Ask "under what power do you state your actions?". They work for the community remember so see what they intend.

Asking question is if you really want to challenge police to act lawfully BUT THIS INVITES THEM TO CREATE BULLSHIT REASONS TOO so CONTINUE DON'T ASK UNTIL THEY GO FOR YOU PROPERLY or you want them to be distracted.

Like suggests remember not to try convince them as it is literally time killing or anyway they chose that job / use it to put food on table so even good one's already know or can't admit it in front of their peers / workmates.

➡️ NO DUTY SOLICITOR: use a recommended solicitor with protest experience / protest solicitor if in real trouble or wanting to kill time.

Keep some cards as backup or even pretend to use them / distribute them if you want to pretend you're a big fish. Maybe this is bad if they detain you but at least you can use it to call them (it's not that bad to show you know some law people) and waste time or not - Having solicitor with experience over the phone might be better than working with police-given solicitor in some sense. Do ask the solicitor many questions about their capacity / how they work in that police station and then choose another solicitor!

➡️ NOT ACCEPTING THE CAUTION?
A caution is a legal admission of a bit of guilt usually WHEN THEY HAVE NOTHING and pretend to wave the finger a bit!

Often when they have nothing they make you sign it and leave with a caution... you might want to contest that after reading what it says and see if it's anything bad and then waste time debating it! (i.e don't leave if you don't agree hehe - it really pisses them off as they are done with you BUT YOU ARE NOT DONE WITH THEM!!! ⌚⌚⌚$$$'S )

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SUMMARY
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⬆️ A lot of these points above INCLUDE willingly time wasting too and accepting they have usually nothing / calling their bluff to occupy their time ! ⬆️

✔️ ⭐ I.E. COSTING THEM MONEY AND MAN-POWER)
Capitalism hates that...

REALLY HATES BECAUSE IT'S AT IT'S OWN COST! ⌚⌚⌚$$$

You can say you're really tired and need to sleep - also kills time and you probably need the sleep.

That's why I've added things here...

✔️ It's effective and low-level
✔️ Low risk compared to effective ratio of distraction to those that cause us trouble... i.e. less police cars on the road / more occupied detaining willing people etc... ❌ 🚗 ❌ 👍

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