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People want to solve smaller after the big is done, but the liberators of the nation won't let them!...

Or just want to make more money from people internally captured! 🎏 💰 (flag and moneybag)

people oppressed by is bad BUT ALL the un-oppressed too are in deep civilised shit! 🙊

What happens when the liberated want to be liberated?.. To improve 'civilisation' after "another War" has ended (but hasn't since that is the basis for Government existance / economic war and leverage copied everywhere)... 

So when the liberators are no longer needed simply because they did their job well...what then?

Scary 😱

Votng etc is not my idea of an answer, though people throwing themselves at the system to bend it as a non-profit is honourable if you know already by definition governments don't want to bend to anyone, not even logic / their own family...
...unless of course it pays them a cruel amount as % tax every little small things they do, similar to people dying three time as a constant debt making machine called bank.

with might be similar to war everywhere on many levels (of which people want to solve after the big war).

We have little answer other than make "civilised" the crushing weight of the state.

Overally any country is not un-similar to and future if you look at real progress and not just GDP etc.

We might have to do it all ourself (me and you + some others)... #privacy #online... 

@olives My comment might seem like I'm giving away ground too easily to what you're saying and what you're in disagreement with, but really mean to try working with better people and things (all of us). My reply is also about what others are doing about it... as an overall perspective it might get to this stage anyway in time so that question still stands... and reasons are below.

Because... You might agree on things like this (or you can skip down to final points marked with █):

☑️ ❓ "that those kinds of people / not carers / abusers / controllers will continue to do those kinds of things so it's expectable to get to this stage or later on down the line"
and
☑️ ❓ Vulnerable people (above a certain level of 'civilised ways' are almost more vulnerable with the control or it's prolonged and they might not even get together themselves.

and

☑️ ❓ 20 years ago a guy calling at your door asking you to signup on behalf of American company in whatever country you're in asking you to fill in details and upload photos would = NO - but
people are suckers. So there is some long work and even blame on those people who we need to educate or develop separately from
and
☑️ ❓ that "we need to be able to do things without them / a bit better than now as we broadcast everything they can pick and choose from now (ideally a lot better, even in better groups)" (even Gargron / Eugene is not anti-Google links on Mastodon or sees why to encourage better from millions of links daily you (plural) / others click- and all our posts are on indexed by google ..... my admin @freemo and @Gargron
not interested to put even disclaimer "don't scrape without permission of user / no consent" simple footer - let alone CC-BY-NC-SA option etc

and

☑️ ❓ "it's really likely they are doing much more silent work on us right now that we think / they don't announce it always! / paving the way for xyz... that we need to actually counter"

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So overall agree with you but there is a paradox with "privacy" and "online" although it "could/should/would" be if "they" cared (businesses as extension of government). From broadband onwards it was the same kind of extraction happening but in new 'field' of oil / data (porn also being a business I recently saw you post on but not to mix with this - just broadband was so rapidly done in almost a few years to our door precisely to support the same old warefare / extraction / capturing / creating of market / spyware)

█but even me or you commenting and not uniting is basically what I see as the crux of it (will never work until uniting as real friends somewhat or incrementing something else which is 'not those things') and the breaking point is sort of that basic steady communication / unity / practise day to day else we do business elsewhere with wrong people... and end up helping them / not improving ourselves

█So what also has a chance (other than commenting and hoping) is probably just a delay or spectator POV - which I sympathise with also but enemies can like the cries of others too as inspiration / confirmation that it is working).

█I suggest we 2 start and admit you might under-estimate this basic method but like germs or ideas we can grow fast while big brother has back turned (like the grandma game creeping up on us we creep / increment better ways / grow better people).

█A reply would be fun, the offer above you can DM about to ping pong more privately and practise that as the most ... ?

@TheOldGuy aka "Old maid" flowers - are you able to talk more about your garden and from my side some questions about my own that my computer is too slow to load all up?... so a person might do better.

If you're a beginner then no worries and don't have to be expert either - just since you have time it seems said with respect.

"free coffee" like a "free lunch (doesn't exist much these days)

I was writing about chocolate + coffee and realised it's regularly used at petrol stations or a give-away / loyalty schemes etc to lure people or get them into something.

It helps that my chemistry doesn't readily want / identify with these liquid-crap / over-sugary products, and maybe I identified how capitalism uses them so it's very political.

I don't want to sound like I'm insulting things purely on their purity (over-pure) and politics (over-extraction) and who supplies it (Capitalism people who are surely no good) but I guess I am, and hope you consider making the change to reduce consumption back to rationed levels and making it special again.

I don't doubt the grandmas giving choc to kids as being "nice" but I think they could do better considering the influx over the years and invasion from Easter Eggs to Christmas to Valentines etc but I realise all this also as stimulant, brain or body thing which is why Capitalism I think uses it (over-extended people's energy even if they crash / puke from limits).

Anyway main examples are;
█ petrol stations (x tank fills = 1 coffee, stamps or cards)
intahnet.co.uk/@mhamzahkhan/11
█ Coffee machines at work as deliberately
cheaper access / deal with manufacturers. And also internal incentives for best workers or teams.
intahnet.co.uk/@mhamzahkhan/11
█ (forgot the next one)

Even good coffee shops / protest places where you drink a certain coffee for 'Zapatistas' to support people home and away can be too habit forming...

I do understand any movement needs to be funded (from Capitalism to Zapatistas en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zapatist) and don't even knock that completely (Black / Native people's need this funding, but as Capitalism is so good you do have to wonder how and why it's been made and literally "pushed" everywhere because Capitalist patterns are 99% for self-interest
(tempting to say 100% actually!).

Buying into things usually is political. Coffee anyone? :coffeepot: (Na I'll just have a tea, mint or nettles from your garden if you have!)

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ALTERNATIVES / REPLACEMENTS / HEALTHIER ADDICTIONS ?
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🍒 🌸 🍐 🍒 I'm eating a lot of cherries for example since I have access to trees on the way or around and there is literally 100's on the tree!

For cold / hot tea, some fast growing mint or nettles from your garden can help...

Finding fruit or leaves if you need replacement can be better and more fun than the more er synthetic / processed stuff...

(?)

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CREDITS for Pics, from @mhamzahkhan who posted about a week ago and completely accept as posting, might not even be a heavy drinker - mainly for the pics and also since I was browsing the other posts / hashtags.

Crack + chocolate + coffee as synthetic stimulants... 

I see all these as quite similar types of stimulant 💉

Even if it's less of a stimulant, they all give adrenalin kicks / ups and downs in the head / temporary highs and encourage feeding addiction if not mentally balanced.

If unbalanced (which is normal for humans I consider) then people tend to stuff themselves and use it like a drug.

When worried, nervous, have too much work... it doesn't really help original problem and can just delay AND even compound problems (the original stress, lack of sleep, nervousness, lack of ways of in a trapped system + more feelings on top).

For me I see chocolate and coffee still like wartimes as something rare and luxury;

█sparingly given,
█almost never bought
█bad for teeth and digestion consumed daily, otherwise like CocaCola a bit of Cocaine / Crack style enjoyment only if really a rare thing.

Doesn't help now you can buy things too readily and from everywhere - kind of takes away it's special ability unless you actively defend from friends and other pushing it. I let things sit for ages until it's really time.

Kind of too pure for me and consider it deliberately well supplied crack/crap for mice on the treadmill.

Has a lot of damage embedded too. From source (coffee coming from Brazilian railway lines 🚆 built solely to be extract and supply to The West, for example.... sugar imported for watered-down chocolate, just a few squares is enough like sugar cubes)

Those that give kids whole bars are crazy! What do you think / do realted to these things?


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crack_co

Crack Cocaine Fast Facts

Quotes elsewhere online (which I see similar to chocolate / coffee)

"Crack cocaine [chocolate or coffee] is a highly addictive and powerful stimulant that is derived from powdered cocaine using a simple conversion process. Crack emerged as a drug of abuse in the mid-1980s. It is abused because it produces an immediate high and because it is easy and inexpensive to produce--rendering it readily available and affordable. "

@meeper ok toilet paper or a towel can works- but if you haven't tried sponges then do try because:

- it's softer than most things
- has air in and holds water at the same time, so when pressed water comes out at the same time cleans (acting like a small wash with wipe that doesn't create sores too easily which fixed material can encourage)
- can be found free in recycling bins (usually plastics are clean) / cheap new / left over insulation type stuff you might have already.

I had left over sponge/insulation stuff (like what you get in cushions, crappy stuff, not fiber glass etc) but as a rectangle mattress piece / block which I cut off almost never and will last me a last a long time.

I also cut off and use to wash other things so it's multi-pupose material like using a mini spongebob :spongebob: !

It's a lots softer / cleaner / reusable even compared to paper or towels and ideal when it comes to minimising bum sores like haemorrhoids soaking the sponge a bit and washing right after. Small ice-cream tube might help keep it somewhere.

you trust with and simply re-loan your savings adding a fee + % to each currency and paying you very little.

mechanises therefore cut off people / become obsolete / irrelevant.

Cuts people out of the picture more often when using ....

not

People AND their mindset as our basic "business".

People should be "busy" in helping grow healthier mentality and improve people's ethical base...

not

Insects and Bugs are simply wondrous

And beautiful when they are chilling on your finger. Perhaps even communicating something to you!

Could be an old grandma who's found you again! 😂 🐜 🐞 😂

@skyblond I see as the level above or next levels from people paying others (like me imagine) and talking to me, and not giving it over to BigBusiness...

Otherwise we're building on that for them somewhat and not ourselves if it all -

So I conclude that if we don't have an equivalent system and answer (like literally similar advertising farms for good, paying process, subscriptions, kudos, belief, secrecy, buddying-up) then we all starve and don't even start tackling the moving *FROM Capitalism* TO funding a New-Ism.. That's how the New grows, like Black Rights movements did as they chipped in together and went with Capitalism somewhat and did stuff together as the main.

So rather than just pirate or break Hollywood or even just consume it's just theirs in the end (so not knocking it all but when you start making comics yourself or helping fund others away etc etc and then those people go away from giving it to Google, DRM, BigTech,,, then you / we start to add to another system which you don't even have to call New (it will grow itself!). Hope that makes sense.

I'm growing trees from the seeds of fruit so very much in the growing mindset, even if many of my seeds don't grow- I have literally a whole tree of Cherry pips / seed so my chances are increased or inverted by sheer determination :)

More about copying things....
I was even copying / getting free stuff, driving games and lots of Hollywood movies and then realise like Neo, "No" and stick to mostly homegrown / self-made stuff at least to give things a chance... increment another way... (don't ask how it's going but there isn't a better way so far I see than this last paragraph).

Invest in people. Daily.

Else you invest in Elon, Gates, Zucker, etc. So / including me !

Trust governments and banks? 

No. It's from people happy to spend you money badly.

a bit, invest in people - more directly with other on :fediverse: or just me.

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