They are scraping us (even individuals online). Wake up #admins !!
yes scRAPING U.$.
Ironic that scraping has the word raping in it
- the taking without permission and commercialising / monetising it. YES Near-enough rape!
Taking our data....
...without so much as a sign from us (un-defended / open) that we don't like or want that on our instance - WHERE ARE YOU GUYS?
@freemo
@khird
@barefootstache
Please put in the dashboard interface, even for now, the text in the footer to defend us a bit - the following:
"Data is not for commercial use. processing data here including scraping is unwanted. Ask each user for consent, No consent is given or implied for re-processing this information."
#QOTO #Complaint / #QOTOComplaint
(Wake The Fuck Up) #WTFU
No response for a while now on server statusthe M.I.A. @freemo and most of my things like this...
Fucking mess when it's left unsaid / nothing done. It's like waiting to be eaten by #BigTech
#Fediverse Don't give me anything about the language or my gratefulness
- focus on the points AND DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT !!
#Sharkey
#Akkoma
#Firefish
#Gotosocial
#Hometown
#Iceshrimp
#Pleroma
#Momostr
#Friendica
#Mitra
#Hubzilla
@freeschool Under Settings > Preferences, you'll see an option to opt-out of indexing. That adds an attribute to your profile which well-behaved crawler bots (Google search spider etc) will respect. As a STEM instance, we have plenty of researchers who use their QOTO accounts for professional purposes and *want* their work disseminated as widely as possible.
There are also privacy settings on a per-toot basis, which can prevent even badly-behaved scrapers from seeing your content. This is much more effective than expecting them to abide by the sort of demand you're advocating we post (in all likelihood, a human with control over the bot would never even read it).
@khird Ok answered partially but it's not covering many parts including:
- not saying it explicitly / visually.
- no freemo
- no upgrade updates
Come on...
Those settings - Did you know Google don't have to respect that option ? Similar to DO NOT TRACK - it's just a flag - EMPTY VOID of any actual action or force, legality, monitoring and just their choice.
Since day one I've had these settings covered and still scraped on google.
You can check (I suggest you do it with someone else's account as the fediverse account to try and through proxy / no just google.com)
Your reply perhaps doesn't expect they don't care or give a fuck like a lot of naive people and that needing to step it up and say it a bit more clearly... dare I say defend, is quite needed in this climate, as token gesture or not in the footer of the interface to say NO TO SCRAPING YOU COMMERCIAL BAR STEWARDS!!
2 recent mass scrapers (you might have missed in the news)
1. #contentnation
2. #maven (commercial en mass)
you think they care / not going to cash in on us like sitting ducks or the plummeting economy not going to force someone somewhere to try it?
If I decided to scrape your posts (I mean any individual tried) and put it on the net does any of what you said as setting count?
WHAT DO I WANT
So I'm asking for us to think together ALOUD about all those things going on for years, Not just use this server as a butt wipe for our output with that togetherness and realising enemies are encroaching. It's also STEM (notice not much humanities or consciousness in STEM - hmm shittyness in STEM also is the exclusionary factor but I digress)
So doing much more visually / humanly / legally to counter that... even if we can't right now... is needed - what do you think
☑️ yes / no / maybe ? (do try answer it's not rhetorical)
"Well-behaved" Google spider -
are you fucking having a laugh ????
My posts are on google and I've done all that A LONG TIME AGO and then some... computer says no I don't care I will scRAPE you.
"we need to trust them" YEAH RIGHT - We can't even identify and declare it as an instance and let individual says if they don't mind being "disseminated" ...
WHAT STEM SERVER - OH THIS ONE?
Do look at the Timeline right now before claiming that as much of a STEM server - lol I don't mind it but don't to claim it with straight face
Maybe you mean me (questioning things) @TheOldGuy (#war) @lupyuen electronics and code and everything also stop replying after 1 reply @sergeant how many bench-presses and few bits @barefootstache doing his saily 400 tips challenge for himself as half0useless / unrelated things to consider @garyackerman writing his wisdom from school teaching failing (my top pick) @olives about tech and just mostly few things reposted just stuff (not really STEM) and what you would see elsewhere...
no program of STEM, no regular group chats, wise deliberation, no coming together, a rag-tag bunch of misfits which I'd rather call until more effort was put in rather than just a storage medium.
it's a label and where a lot of us came here for the word count and potential ... so that was the main reason of choosing the #hopium for some active education / engagement ! I certainly didn't get it all or see it and without Freemo nothing happens...
Nope FreeSchool is the only one really for that, and from no other option I'm starting to go darker and darker while maintaining facts nothing is happening here
Don't give me that we're fucking STEM server crap - NOWHERE NEAR - yea few things between you would get ANYWAY
Iimagine the label wasn't STEM and you looked at out timeline - GO AHEAD click it - what is it with any label !!!??? Is it #MastodonSocial? LOL
No need put claims up it's mostly STEM. Evidently that get shot down - seriously take a look at the Timeline...
IT'S A JOKE GENERAL SERVER COMPARED TO STEM
And even your own posts (for some ad hominem spice)...
(half aren't bad actually I even boosted some during writing this - wink 
) , but just half aren't STEM anywhere in sight...
oh look "Canada's four university football conference championships will be held today, with the winners to play in a single elimination tournament over the following two weeks for the Vanier Cup." WOOOPY-DOO!
@freeschool I'm a mod. My primary contribution here is to keep our timeline free of spammers, and I've issued over three thousand bans to accounts on our server, so you don't have to see people hawking all sorts of rubbish every time you check the timeline. You're welcome. I don't have the authority to modify the QOTO terms - so I offered the help I could, which was advice on how to prevent your data from being scraped, if you want it that way.
> Did you know Google don't have to respect that option ?
Google doesn't have people going and reading the footers of websites to know whether they can scrape them. If you don't want your profile indexed, the way you communicate that to their bot is by setting the `noindex` tag, which is what the opt-out mechanism does. If you're interested in an actual effective solution, that's the way to go; if you're just interested in me making the "token gesture" on your behalf then the answer is no. Even if I had the authority, the text of your demand reads much like those email disclaimers (you know the ones: "This email is intended only for the person or entity to whom it is addressed...") which are generally regarded as ["legally useless"](https://www.economist.com/business/2011/04/07/spare-us-the-e-mail-yada-yada). So it strikes me as pointless visual clutter and I'm not in favour of including it.
> "Well-behaved" Google spider -
are you fucking having a laugh ????
Empirically, [it appears to respect your wishes](https://www.google.com/search?q=site%253Aqoto.org%252F%2540freeschool) if you communicate them in a way it can understand. And there's no need to curse at me.
> "we need to trust them"
I didn't say that, and don't put words in my mouth. Feel free to not trust them, and use the privacy settings (which should work against even ill-behaved bots). But why would you trust them to obey your demand just because it's in the footer rather than the page metadata?
> oh look "Canada's four university football conference championships"
We don't have any rule prohibiting casual discussion among members. In fact, if anything, the fact that you had to go back eight and a half months to find a non-STEM post on my profile should be taken as evidence *against* your argument. But our status as a STEM server is somewhat beside the point - which is, there are valid reasons why someone might want their profile indexed, just as there are valid reasons why you might not. The decision to check the box or not is up to you.
@khird yes ok well done
- thanks for doing the spammers disfavours, Really - but don't expect doing that forever to work as "change"
- We could even do the spam ourselves if only to "participate in something" lol... take some shiftwork
- Never compare spam to some of these posts here on QOTO - they are similar in quality sometimes!
- thanks for not addressing the no updates,
- and the no freemo
and why do I have to repeat myself?
I've checked this post less than the others... in fact you can skip the rest of this
oh thanks for some comments actually from you (like there needs to be a rule to bring people together or because there is no rule against that's enough for something creative here). So *dry* as STEM - really nothing else than a few unrelated posts between us?... I'm sure some thought could go into it... but looking around it isn't your fault it's dry... some good stuff but little interaction, really does nned a rule like "talk to 2 mew people per day, get STEM badge and gold star!" 🔰 ⭐ lol
The whole "talking to improve humans" is all non-existent because STEM largely understands mostly numbers perhaps not human emotions as the in and output connected to communication and that being most of life for humans (I think I just shut down half the brains of STEM with the word human and emotion and communication)...
Sorry I mean numbers , computers and chasing bugs "for the way" endlessly don't even look at humans as the in and output and start and end of the flow tree...
you're just a spam mod, freemo is just well _________ < FILL IN THE BLANK AND ALL IS TOTALLY SUSPECT.
I'm not even going to curse to get your attention. I'll just repeat the questions above
I'm going to assume that putting a disclaimer after where it says "Mastodon is open source software. You can contribute or report issue..." etc (that's what I meant by footer part) is too much of a change and hard to do...
You don't have the powers or the will - you like semination, fair enough
Just dry semination here.... even my jokes.
Carry on with the spam...
You wouldn't believe I WAS SO BORED HERE ONCE I ACTALLY DID THE SPAM TOO - THAT'S SAD
I WAS LIKE "WHAT TO DO" AND I STARTED TO CLICK REPORT - THAT IS HOW LAME LIFE IS HERE - I HAD TO SNAP OUT OF IT...
I COULD HAVE CONTINUED UPLOADING CLIPS, THE PODCAST (UPLOADS ARE STILL FUCKED), I COULD SPEAK WITH PEOPLE BETTER THAN ME
but ATTITUDES ARE NOT IMPROVING and OPPORTUNITY THE opportunity to TAKE MORE FROM THE WORLD isn't there -
Just WAR NEWS AND MISCELLANEOUS mostly...
STEM CAN'T EVEN DO IT'S OWN THING.
NO PIONEERS AT ALL HERE?
SO DRY....
I'M GOING TO GO WATCH MY PLANTS GROW IN THE DARK 👀
- BETTER PROGRESS
IF fixing the world comes into SOMEONE'S HEAD 🧠 to start incrementing human growth and understanding - to see this as a half fun half serious - get in contact
A bit of autonomy or originality
If I have had the powers this would be more STEM than STEM itself - MORE-HUMAN-sySTEM (HUMAN STEMS BEING GROW NOT JUST NUMBER OR MORE PROGRAM Mr. LUP LEE YING LANG FROM CHINA !)
I did ask freemo for powers and he said as soon as the upg... oh yeah WHERE IS FREEMO and what about upgrades? It's seriously testing flaming you again...
Aannyway gotta respect when people make promises and dates and disappear by months... it's this level of nice-politeness when work is left unsaid and uncompleted that inflaming and just shoddy...
S H O D D Y
A lot of repair and opportunity here... call me when things are wanted to be revived from the dead and uncreative... and not just flagging spam... but maybe a bit once I get more privileges, experimentation and backing to test some real stem cells here,,,
> - thanks for not addressing the no updates,
> - and the no freemo
So to make this abundantly clear:
- I **am** a QOTO mod
- I **am not** the QOTO sysadmin
- Removing spammers **is** a thing I do
- Upgrading QOTO's software **is not** a thing I do
- Adding things to our rules page **is not** a thing I do
- Conjuring up freemo **is not** a thing I do
Nothing you say will change any of the above, so there's no point in complaining further.
@khird I thought an mod has some responsibility to find out answers for users and have contact with admin since they are delegate by them no?...
You're listed on the about / contact page....
So I'm asking you as a mod "Where is the admin...for months now after trying myself to get reply?"
Is that not a thing important to you or answered by you as part of #QOTO team?
And for you to find out if you have no idea?
Does it not concern you that there has been no reply by the single admin of so many users who said work will be done but has left it unsaid / incomplete?
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Yes / no / maybe answers
are enough. Seems no
alertness/feeling to this.
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+bonifartius 𒂼𒄄
@freeschool @khird you don't pay anything for your account. it's a privilege. regardless if some things don't work.
hosting is paid out of pocket by freemo, the mods are doing their work for free.
you complain about things not working to your liking, while often posting stuff about the value of work and how money and capitalism are bad.
i don't like that some posts error out for me as well, but in the end i am free to switch servers or just host my own 
@freeschool @khird
i won't just say "no" because you ordered me in capslock. it's disrespectful and deserves a stern answer.
i never said you should be grateful.
you should be respectful to people who use their money and their time to provide services for free.
you talk about people "not caring".
if they wouldn't care, they wouldn't provide services in the first place. they could just do a single user fedi instance and have much less things to worry about.
the difference to other things in life where "go elsewhere" might be a shit answer is that you aren't even remotely forced to use someones server.
you aren't forced to use "ALL THESE PROJECTS crappy / degraded culture usually from bad training / capitalism not caring".
you want, and decide, to use these things.
i think you are "not caring" for the people running these services. you want to use something for free and if it doesn't work like you want you borderline insult those providing these services if they don't respond how you wish.
why not rent a $10 vps and run your own instance. if it isn't in your skillset, pay a bit more for a managed one.
it would require the very accountability you demand of others.
@bonifartius @khird Fine. Not terribly bad....
🚨 Don't let the caps lock or the presentation of words stop you from answering honestly though
(or not answering at all in this *case* <---uppercase or lower case you fucking skipped answering what I asked!).
What is it with clever people who don't can't to answer questions like it's ok and over time not just passive aggressive or more of the same - "why do *I* answer you? This is is only one way my friend!"
The time-invested questions I asked you failed top answer. Each paragraph, I asked for reply - you avoided complaining about the case of my writing 
so bad - please don't add to bad work if it's most going to be one way...
And to finish (yes let's finish the unanswered question loop) :
How do you know I haven't had respect before ?
I've had good rapport with many mentioned here, if not all so no need defend those that don't need defending or indeed assume more than you know.
I *ALWAYS* pulled freemo up in private and even when he said anything I simply point to the time points and what he said explaining my *persistence*. if you're ship is falling apart or people go missing a good crewman doesn't pretend or just go away either. The fact I'm still here is because I always had a point more than any presentation. You can ask freemo.
Even by this one conversation even if I'm wrong, you might not know so you do your bit and answer question else no need defend others. You could spend your time better answering - and yes well done in suggesting I can run my own instance - clap clap as answer.
People will be insulted by their own false promises, missing communication, bad work DON'T FUCKING PUT THAT ON ME !
That I should go rent for a vps, new accounts, install a whole new server etc .... LOOOOOOOL fucking idiot - but again yes ok I got the idea I can leave - but no need advise me more on that and better answering previous else me and you are quite done points answered and not.
@bonifartius @khird THIS is a really good point... and I think it's a big one (without over-reacting).
Many generations I experience or just people in general too, believe because you don't pay for something, you should be grateful TO THE EXTENT you should expect bad quality... and that it's ok:
- someone cuts off communication suddenly
(someone quite high up supposed to be managing my data)
- while mods have no fucking clue
It's a worry *whatever the cost*...
So I don't challenge you or panic too much about my data / server but is THIS SHIT about people saying stuff and having to pretend whatever they say or don't say is ok to put aside and irrelevant because you didn't pay, THAT is BULLSHIT. He's AWOL, I asked a bunch of questions privately and now I'm vocally pulling him up about it.
If I tell you I'm coming around to you house to fix something for free. MULTIPLE times. and I keep not showing up or delaying and don't say, THAT'S A BIT OF A PROBLEM / TIME WASTER.
I suppose not caring is exactly what people have grow to practice and then when you get the hit you wonder why people don't care. It's free app so whatever goes!
If I have your data or status and you ask me about it and months go by NOTHING - THEN THAT IS A BIG FUCKING PROBLEM.
I'm not talking about these small errors. The repeated direct and indirect asking has come up 0.
And yeah I had plans here too so I'm keen to get on...
How all you other people are ok with that (while not asking you to panic) and read this without saying "hmm yeah that person got a point" is beyond me and only show how meaningless things get just posting in life and not changing a thing.
THIS you should be grateful crap for and increasing crap world and keeping simple communication - yes is crap. And maybe they are not responsible as I am
AND EVEN PEOPLE MIGHT THINK BROKEN STUFF AND POOR / SILENT MANAGEMENT IS A GOOD THING
CULTURE today ALL BECOMES THE SAME. "DON'T LIKE IT GO ELSEWHERE" - how many times we heard that in other areas of life where we are almost cornered - parents, shops, admins, IT'S A POOR SHOW.
You have to stand you ground and even build it which I would if I had the keys. Not just jog on every time someone uses the easy ACE CARD ♠ - "oh you think I'm measurably shit - go take a hike - why I should better or answer to YOU! or change MY BBUSINESS? (same repeats with ALL THESE PROJECTS crappy / degraded culture usually from bad training / capitalism not caring). Or amazing communication and then nothing which is more freemo - so he's not bottom of the barrel. But just give me the logins already and let everyone else watch me! (half joke but better than nothing)
IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THESE POINTS IN PARAGRAPHS (EARLIER ONE ESPECIALLY)-
JUST SAY "NO" -
NO NEED WASTE EVEN THE FREE BYTES WE GET TO ASK AND REPEAT SIMPLE FUCKING QUESTIONS...
[ oh yea bit of swearing but "man does he have a point!" ]