🎓 Doc Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@qoto.org

@louisrcouture

Facebook uses algos to determine who they jail, even when they dont their policies are absolutely absurd. I cant wait for the day facebook is dead

@swiley You gonna get it or quit?

@zleap

The guinea hasnt existed since 1971. I'm pretty sure no one ever understood the old English monetary system.

@Pat

@Pat

Anyone who watches old horror movies would get it :)

@zleap

@Pat after zooming in i find they do appear mostly identical, except there are a few small anomalies where they seem to differ by a pixel or two oddly enough.

@Pat sort of, they are both randomized by the same parameters. But being random they differ on a pizel by pixel basis

@khaosgrille

I think if you wear a mask for short periods to enter a store and throw it away after and are careful to only handle it by the elastic bands (or disinfect your hands right after) then it is probably offering some sort of protective effect. But i also suspect this is a small minority of cases. Most people are no longer staying home and are going about their normal lives just adding masks on top. So for most people I expect masks to probably cause more harm than good because of the habits introduced over the long term as we already covered.

@zleap

@khaosgrille

I would expect saunas to kill coroana by drying out the droplets quickly, not by heat. Assuming we are talking a dry sauna. In a wet sauna I'd expect corona to thrive.

@zleap

@zleap

In general I'd expect eating and drinking in general, with a virus laiden mask on your face you need to handle (not to mention your now infected chin) to be rather risky.

If people tossed the mask and washed their face **and** hands before eating it might be much safer, but drinking, since it happens so often, seems particularly risky with a mask.

@khaosgrille

@trinsec its one of the mistakes, I forgot to form the "n"

@khaosgrille

Pressuming this study is correct (as you say it doesnt look like it is peer reviewed) then it may be fair to say people touch their face less. But it doesnt negate the other points such as pulling ones mask down to drink infecting both their chin and hands in doing so,

How many times a day does someone take a sip of water? Each of those times is a touch event and it appears this study isnt really counting those.

@zleap

@zleap

Its also quite horrific for the deaf who rely on lip reading.

I know for me it gives me a great deal of distress to wear one, but thats another matter.

@khaosgrille

@khaosgrille

I am not seeing anything to address any of the concerns i brought up such as:

* face touching
* constantly pulling the face down to your chin (spreading infection around your face)
* mask reuse
* exposing just the nose
* confounding between mask users and other good habits
* addressing post hoc ergo procter hoc through use of causality tests

etc.

@zleap

@khaosgrille

At a cursory glance i took leakage to mean particles that escape out of the side. Not the effects of people taking off their mask and touching it and their face constantly.

@zleap

@khaosgrille

Ok then ill have to read, my cursory glance didnt seem to see anything about face touching in their model.

Though regardless if its non-randomized observational study it still has the underlying issue of confounding and thus the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy. But ill give it a full read to give a more proper answer

@zleap

@khaosgrille

In fact with just a quick read I cant see why you'd think it would address any of the points I listed at all, the study doesnt bring them up or consider any of the points I mentioned in the study so far as I can tell.

@zleap

@khaosgrille

If it isnt randomized how does it address the points I made at all?

@zleap

@zleap

A doctor has an entire team to cater to them just to ensure the integrity of the mask and hands. Tey have people who will scratch their nose for them even.

@khaosgrille