Show more
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

@mattsheffield

Conservatives love their facism, as do the democrats (not sure i can actually call them liberals anymore).. thats the problem, its all facism these days.

@dangillmor

0
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 boosted
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

@ambulocetus

No, I won’t give you specific word for word examples, because that smells like a trap to me, and I’m not falling for it.

What does a “trap” mean.. If it means somethign that may prove your assertions wrong, then I fail to see how its a bad thing. If you think it will be used in bad faith, then when have I ever argued with you in bad faith?

Refusing to be specific and to only speak in vaguties that simply arent supported by what actually said sounds like the real trap to be honest, though if you gave specific examples I might have changed my mind.

If you disagree with me, that’s your prerogative, but I’m not watching it again just because you can’t see my point.

The part where he talks about creationism lasts for about a minute or two, so not really a huge ask when I just watched the whole 30 minutes in consideration of your own point. But do as you like of course.

I never said that he said anything factually incorrect, maybe you should read what I wrote one more time.

You used the term “misinformation” many times. Misinformation is by definition “factually incorrect”. Can you explain to me how you feel he stated misinformation that was somehow also factually correct then? Sounds like back peddling though I give you the benefit of the doubt your discussing in good faith and it is unintentional.

In my experience, when someone creates a straw-man like that, it usually means they have an agenda.

Strawman, what strawman is that?

People can watch the video, and keep in mind what both of us have said, and make up their own minds.

They sure can, problem is you didnt actually elucidate your point of view or how you arrived at it in any meaningful way what so ever. You claimed he did several things then when asked for examples to back that up made no effort to really do so. Saying something is so isnt really getting you anywhere if you cant even point int he general direction of the examples that back up your claim. So you simply havent given anyone any real content with which to even consider your point.

In fact I detect a strong undertone to what your saying and defensiveness to an earnest inquiry on your perspective. It seems to me the most likely explanation is you have a strong bias and disgust on anyone who would even discuss spiritual matters along side science (even me who has not explicitly supported the argument) and that that extreme hate/bias is likely fueling your perspective here more than an objective reading. I think this is causing you to attribute things by reading between the lines that simply isnt even there. This is evident because you kept talking about a book you swear this guy is promoting and yet he never mentioned it once in his videos. So clearly you were filling in some things with your own emotional response here that led to a distorted view of what was said. Again I think this is all in good faith and not something you are doing knowingly.

1+
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 boosted
Ambulocetus

@freemo No, I won’t give you specific word for word examples, because that smells like a trap to me, and I’m not falling for it. If you disagree with me, that’s your prerogative, but I’m not watching it again just because you can’t see my point. I never said that he said anything factually incorrect, maybe you should read what I wrote one more time. In my experience, when someone creates a straw-man like that, it usually means they have an agenda. If so that is one more reason to not spend any more time on this. People can watch the video, and keep in mind what both of us have said, and make up their own minds.

1
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

@ambulocetus

No, I won’t give you specific word for word examples, because that smells like a trap to me, and I’m not falling for it.

What does a “trap” mean.. If it means somethign that may prove your assertions wrong, then I fail to see how its a bad thing. If you think it will be used in bad faith, then when have I ever argued with you in bad faith?

Refusing to be specific and to only speak in vaguties that simply arent supported by what actually said sounds like the real trap to be honest, though if you gave specific examples I might have changed my mind.

If you disagree with me, that’s your prerogative, but I’m not watching it again just because you can’t see my point.

The part where he talks about creationism lasts for about a minute or two, so not really a huge ask when I just watched the whole 30 minutes in consideration of your own point. But do as you like of course.

I never said that he said anything factually incorrect, maybe you should read what I wrote one more time.

You used the term “misinformation” many times. Misinformation is by definition “factually incorrect”. Can you explain to me how you feel he stated misinformation that was somehow also factually correct then? Sounds like back peddling though I give you the benefit of the doubt your discussing in good faith and it is unintentional.

In my experience, when someone creates a straw-man like that, it usually means they have an agenda.

Strawman, what strawman is that?

People can watch the video, and keep in mind what both of us have said, and make up their own minds.

They sure can, problem is you didnt actually elucidate your point of view or how you arrived at it in any meaningful way what so ever. You claimed he did several things then when asked for examples to back that up made no effort to really do so. Saying something is so isnt really getting you anywhere if you cant even point int he general direction of the examples that back up your claim. So you simply havent given anyone any real content with which to even consider your point.

In fact I detect a strong undertone to what your saying and defensiveness to an earnest inquiry on your perspective. It seems to me the most likely explanation is you have a strong bias and disgust on anyone who would even discuss spiritual matters along side science (even me who has not explicitly supported the argument) and that that extreme hate/bias is likely fueling your perspective here more than an objective reading. I think this is causing you to attribute things by reading between the lines that simply isnt even there. This is evident because you kept talking about a book you swear this guy is promoting and yet he never mentioned it once in his videos. So clearly you were filling in some things with your own emotional response here that led to a distorted view of what was said. Again I think this is all in good faith and not something you are doing knowingly.

1+
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 boosted
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

@ambulocetus

That’s the one. If a creator wants to talk about their religious beliefs, great. But this video from Destin didn’t do that. It was using really cool science to misinform about an antiscientific religious belief of his.

This simply doesnt track with the video… can we get specific here, what did he say (word for word example) that was factually incorrect (misinformation). I was careful when i listened and nothing he said seemed even remotely factually incorrect, so im not sure where you are getting this “misinformation” stuff from.

Here’s what happened. He read a book by a creationist on irreducible complexity of flagella evolution. And he went and talked to some scientists about really cool cutting edge science on how flagella motors work. I don’t know if he read the book first or started reading it after he already planned to talk about it. He didn’t say in the video.

I dont recall him saying he read a book on the matter (though that was the origin of the ensuing debate). He may just as well have just been privy to the debate itself. I am well aware of the molecular motor argument as a pro-creationist debate point, and have heard the argument many times over, but I never read the book making that claim. It is very possible dustin is int he same boat, he has witnessed the debates, and understood the point of view from the perspective of the debates, but he may have never read the book.

Either way, the video starts by saying the complexity and the necessity of every component raises real philosophical debate about the origin of life. It, in fact, does not.

But it very much does. Not saying that scientists are assuming evolution might be in question, they very much assume evolution is still real we just dont have the answers (yet) to explain the intermediate steps leading to the molecular motor. So this is very much true, the evolutionary process leading to the molecular motor is not well known and even speculation is still developing and far from complete. While a scientist wouldnt use that to go “oh god made it”, it is fair to say the specifics as to the how we went from nothing to a molecular motor is still highly debated with any scientist worth his salt admitting we cant really state the steps it took to evolve (partly due to the trouble in evidence you pointed out).

Long story short, what he said is entierly true, we do not have any good theories explaining the intermediary steps for the motor at the moment, and this leaves room for a lot of debate.

Then, in the outro, he used more intelligent design buzz words, both sidesed the “debate” recommended a book by a creationist, and told people to look into it further.

I will watch again, but I did not hear him say anything about reading a creationist book, or even mention the book. He said not to plant your flag in one absolutism or the other and to approach this and other problems with a less tribalistic approach (defending a philosophical point).

Anyone who doesn’t already know this stuff who tries to look up papers using the buzz words he used, especially that author, will find creationist papers that appear, to a lay audience, to be scientific. But to anyone who knows the field, they are junk.

I havent read this papers so I cant speak to their quality. But again, he made no suggestion to anyone to read a book nor did he name any creationist books. He only refernced a debate some creationists have had and where it fits into known gaps in the scientific knowledge, and urged people to not be dogmatic on either side. Good advice I’d say.

1+
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 boosted
Ambulocetus

@freemo That's the one. If a creator wants to talk about their religious beliefs, great. But this video from Destin didn't do that. It was using really cool science to misinform about an antiscientific religious belief of his. Here's what happened. He read a book by a creationist on irreducible complexity of flagella evolution. And he went and talked to some scientists about really cool cutting edge science on how flagella motors work. I don't know if he read the book first or started reading it after he already planned to talk about it. He didn't say in the video. Either way, the video starts by saying the complexity and the necessity of every component raises real philosophical debate about the origin of life. It, in fact, does not. It is cool science and an interesting debate within evolutionary theory, but mainly because flagella don't fossilize, so we have to piece the evolution together by looking at extant organisms as well as lab experiments and simulations. Regardless, his video wasn't about evolution, it was about the molecular machinery, very cool science. Everything between the intro and the outro was great, as his videos always are. Then, in the outro, he used more intelligent design buzz words, both sidesed the "debate" recommended a book by a creationist, and told people to look into it further. And in response to critical comments he told people to read the scientific papers. Anyone who doesn't already know this stuff who tries to look up papers using the buzz words he used, especially that author, will find creationist papers that appear, to a lay audience, to be scientific. But to anyone who knows the field, they are junk. It's a sneaky and dishonest way of appearing impartial, while actually giving credence to a hypothesis that was debunked decades ago.

1
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

@ambulocetus

That’s the one. If a creator wants to talk about their religious beliefs, great. But this video from Destin didn’t do that. It was using really cool science to misinform about an antiscientific religious belief of his.

This simply doesnt track with the video… can we get specific here, what did he say (word for word example) that was factually incorrect (misinformation). I was careful when i listened and nothing he said seemed even remotely factually incorrect, so im not sure where you are getting this “misinformation” stuff from.

Here’s what happened. He read a book by a creationist on irreducible complexity of flagella evolution. And he went and talked to some scientists about really cool cutting edge science on how flagella motors work. I don’t know if he read the book first or started reading it after he already planned to talk about it. He didn’t say in the video.

I dont recall him saying he read a book on the matter (though that was the origin of the ensuing debate). He may just as well have just been privy to the debate itself. I am well aware of the molecular motor argument as a pro-creationist debate point, and have heard the argument many times over, but I never read the book making that claim. It is very possible dustin is int he same boat, he has witnessed the debates, and understood the point of view from the perspective of the debates, but he may have never read the book.

Either way, the video starts by saying the complexity and the necessity of every component raises real philosophical debate about the origin of life. It, in fact, does not.

But it very much does. Not saying that scientists are assuming evolution might be in question, they very much assume evolution is still real we just dont have the answers (yet) to explain the intermediate steps leading to the molecular motor. So this is very much true, the evolutionary process leading to the molecular motor is not well known and even speculation is still developing and far from complete. While a scientist wouldnt use that to go “oh god made it”, it is fair to say the specifics as to the how we went from nothing to a molecular motor is still highly debated with any scientist worth his salt admitting we cant really state the steps it took to evolve (partly due to the trouble in evidence you pointed out).

Long story short, what he said is entierly true, we do not have any good theories explaining the intermediary steps for the motor at the moment, and this leaves room for a lot of debate.

Then, in the outro, he used more intelligent design buzz words, both sidesed the “debate” recommended a book by a creationist, and told people to look into it further.

I will watch again, but I did not hear him say anything about reading a creationist book, or even mention the book. He said not to plant your flag in one absolutism or the other and to approach this and other problems with a less tribalistic approach (defending a philosophical point).

Anyone who doesn’t already know this stuff who tries to look up papers using the buzz words he used, especially that author, will find creationist papers that appear, to a lay audience, to be scientific. But to anyone who knows the field, they are junk.

I havent read this papers so I cant speak to their quality. But again, he made no suggestion to anyone to read a book nor did he name any creationist books. He only refernced a debate some creationists have had and where it fits into known gaps in the scientific knowledge, and urged people to not be dogmatic on either side. Good advice I’d say.

1+
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

@ambulocetus

So I found the video in question and watched it (full 30 minutes). Skip to the end to see the relevant parts for anyone reading this:

youtu.be/VPSm9gJkPxU?si=eiy0g8

As for this:

> Youtuber Smarter Every Day released a video yesterday that appears designed to spread misinformation on creationism.

I dont get what you mean here. He spread no information about creationism at all, let alone misinformation. He stated that this is a focal point for those who argue creationism vs evolution but otherwise did nothing to actively promote either viewpoint, in fact rather the opposite, he suggested people stop taking absolute sides and to form nuanced opinions.

Honestly his take seemed far more honest and lacking in disinformation than usual.

1
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

@ambulocetus

Can you link us to the video so we can see what we should be upset about? I have watched some of his stuff, not a huge fan, but some of it is good. I am really surprised though to hear he was spreading pro-creationism stuff as if it were fact. I'd want to see that, it would likely change my mind about him for the worse. That said if all he did was express his opinions but he shared the facts honestly then I wouldnt have an issue about him expressing some views.

0
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

@nutmeg

The what now. I cant even tell if your a Trumper or a Democrat. Would help if you uttered perhaps a single word that had some actual content rather than just insults... though... im not sure you are capable given that response.

0
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

@freeschool @khird @barefootstache Sure, well we have several minor patch style updates over the last few months to address critical security features. We dont typically announce those as they dont have down time (but can follow them on the matrix chat).

The the big-big update that was 5 in one has had 4 out of 5 working on the beta server. We hired a full time system admin for the non-profit that includes QOTO and he has been working on and off to get that 5th patch applied, at which point all 5 will carry over to the live server. It was a huge development effort and of the 2 attempts we made we had to roll back and fix bugs that has delayed it. It appears fairly close to ready now and we are hoping/expect this next attempt to work as we fixed most of the bugs (means the tests were doing their job).

As of the moment the last update on QOTO is the top priority for the admin and I asked him to put all other priorities aside. We also are finalizing the process of hiring as second admin to help out since he is a bit stretched between QOTO and all the other duties we have for him.

The non-profit that takes care of QOTO as you know started hiring jan 1st of this year, we are at about 20 peoplke right now. So during that time I have had one other person, a developer, developing some javascript widgets to use on a status page that isnt up yet. IT will be fedipage based (so a static blog style site but with AP support so it can be followed directly from QOTO or any account). It includes several widgets as well as manual posts that will allow our admins to regularly update users and the widgets will allow you to follow the ticket progress and versions as well. So the new status page, once up, should give an excellent overview of where update progress is in the future and should allow our users to better estimate our timeline on features and updates.

0
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

@wjmaggos I'd take him over Trump or Harris, but not my top choice based on platform.

0
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

@freeschool @khird @barefootstache

1/ I’m not understanding why simply me and others asking on hashtag what’s happening + me directly messaging you, asking you questions + me asking mods… DIDN’T F-ING WORK for many questions !

Because I have 33K followers, there is a lot of noise. Messages can and do get lost. I am also busy and if i check in less its more likely to get lost in the noise.

This is why we have other channels which I have shared before, specifically matrix where you can chat live with our system administrators and other hired staff if you should ever have a question and cant reach me.

Don’t reply to this - it’s honestly without emotion now and a waste of my time and yours too if messages to you don’t even work.

Ok I wont continue to reply

REALLY DON’T READ MORE!

Ok I wont read futher.

1
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

Well seems the only real choice I have to vote for president this year will be Chase Oliver. No way I can support Kamala given his abysmal track record, especially on women's rights and the support of genocide in Palestine. I would have considered RFK Jr. if he werent such a conspiracy theory nut job. I would have considered Williamson and maybe voted Democrat but I highly doubt she will make it to the ticket, the democrats wouldnt know a decent candidate if it punched them in the face.

1+
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

@peterdrake I believe that feature ahould work.

0
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

:qoto: #QOTO UPDATE... (NO UPDATES)... 

@freeschool @khird @barefootstache

If you need info on upgrade status your welcome to joi any of our active chat rooms where you can find the system admin and our other contributors who are working on qoto.

1
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

They are scraping us (even individuals online). Wake up #admins !! 

@freeschool @khird @barefootstache

Im still here. Not MIA. Did you have a question? We follow the general guidlines for scrapping with robots.txt and the like. People will and can ignore it of course. Addi g a anippet of text wo t chamge anything if they are already blatantly ignoring robots.txt.

1
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

@zleap @doppelgrau @admin

Thank you

0
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 boosted
Paul Sutton

@doppelgrau @admin

+1 Thank you to @freemo and the qoto admin team

1
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

@darth @marhshay

Sure would be happy to.

0
Show more

science

275

hamradio

123

electronics

120

calligraphy

117

programming

103

math

86

chemistry

34

software

25

gpgpu

11

opencl

7
Qoto Mastodon

QOTO: Question Others to Teach Ourselves
An inclusive, Academic Freedom, instance
All cultures welcome.
Hate speech and harassment strictly forbidden.

Trending now

Resources

Developers

What is Mastodon?

qoto.org

More…