arteteco @arteteco@qoto.org

@freemo
Pictures look good, how are you liking the city (and the people) so far?

@MOTT
If you use friendica with couple of plugins you should talk with mastodon and diaspora... since you have this two lives you may want to give it a look =)
@freemo

@freemo
Diaspora* also talks with hubzilla and friendica at least (those I've tried).
@MOTT

@djghettoredneck #mastalab rocks

@malerbabomba@mastodon.bida.im This is very cool... thanks for doing it. If I'll pass by Latina I'll try to give it a look =)

@malerbabomba@mastodon.bida.im Thanks, that's very interesting and nice of you!

What kind of trees do you plant? Are you aware of any contaminant that the soil or air may have that can jeopardize the edibility?
My area is very polluted, and that is our main concern when it comes to guerrilla gardening...

@freemo
Thank you, now is way more clear! :)

@js290 @Surasanji

@ondiz I still see some familiar cubes there...

@Surasanji @js290 @freemo

Thanks, I know what orthogonal means, I just don't understand it in the context.

I'd say couple of things here though. As always, I may be wrong, forgive me in that case, not looking for a fight and I am quite tired =D

This study is comparing, as I understand, the same crops with and without GMOs. Now, that is leading to a false double road, as we have many methods of cultivation. I have yet to see a comparison between an holistic managed grazing farm with silvopasture and a GMO corn crop. That I think would say far more.

The soil degradation is not taken into account, because in that case a few harvests won't do, you'll have to project it into 30, 50 years and see how much carbon you are going to need to produce the fertilizer, for new resistant weeds and how much more water, since the soil will likely be unable to keep it properly.

Nature is pretty, pretty complex. I wouldn't trust a statistical model that affirms it can predict with satisfying accuracy what happens when something so new as a GMO is injected in an ecosystem... let's be humble about this, we are still trying to understand the basics of how everything works.

@js290 @freemo @Surasanji I agree on the soil part, that is my main personal interest, but I think my training in math is too low to understand you...

I appreciate that you have taken to the time to explain your opinion to me nonetheless, it's clearly something you thought a lot about =)

@js290 @freemo @Surasanji

Before calling myself out of the conversation, I'd like to at least understand the equation.

x'1 means x'*1? x1 is x*1? Why the *1?

@js290

Sorry, I don't understand what you just wrote... what do you mean by "decouple time"? And by "orthogonal to the direction"?

I'm not native English, or I just may be too ignorant on the matter to understand you =)

@freemo @Surasanji

@js290

That is why I said "by themselves". It is a matter of a certain kind of GMOs right now present, it's not how GMO has to be, it's just an example of it.

There are reports of GMOs giving better crops, there are reports of GMOs giving worse crops. It highly depends on what the person doing the report considers "good", what data s/he has and how it is evaluated. There is no consensus on what is the "right" way of doing it, just saying "gmo is better" or "worse" doesn't say much.

Why toss the workerless farms in the conversation? Isn't it difficult and big enough as it is? =D

@freemo @Surasanji

@rubah oh, well, I'm honored, thanks. They are just amateur articles, don't expect too much from them =)

@js290 @freemo @Surasanji

glyphosate is not related to GMOs by themselves, I think this is getting a bit out of track.

As I stated before, main problem for me is soil degradation and loss. There is no GMO right now that helps the soil, and that means that is not sustainable or regenerative in any way, so I'd look elsewhere for solution, ATM. But excluding as a matter of principle a technology is something I wouldn't do.

Where do you see technological salvation in this exchange of ideas?

@js290 @Surasanji @neverfadingwood

Thanks for the link. I didn't know about PP, it seem to give a more understandable form to the doubts I always had about how safe it may be in the long run... I will give it a nice read =)

@Surasanji
Don't worry, happens not to understand each other =D

I'll take my time to read the articles you linked when I'm more free, thanks for sharing. I don't have any opinion on the matter, but it's something worth exploring being in my field of interest =)

@neverfadingwood

@Surasanji Wait, I'm getting lost here, what is your conclusion? That there is no relationship?

@neverfadingwood