🎓 Doc Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@qoto.org

@antifaintl Well I guess this is a step up from picking a fight with old ladies like Antifa usually does.

@lascapi @arteteco Thanks

@qrs Can you explain what that means?

@lascapi @arteteco I'd be curious to see the details (first I'm hearing of it). I'm particularly curious as to what advantages it has over OAuth.

@switchingsocial@mastodon.at fair

@switchingsocial@mastodon.at Sure, all valid. I am just saying we have to be honest about just how many projects are usable and have ActivityPub support. The answer to that is very very few.

@arteteco The only OAuth capable software in the fediverse that I know of is nextcloud with a plugin. But it isnt an OAuth provider, just a consumer. So in practice it just lets you sign on with your google or facebook account.

@arteteco depends what you mean. It means that you can sign on with one click on any server which uses the OAuth provider you are registered with.

Usually when you see things like "sign on with your facebook account" that is OAuth

@nipos @witti @jr I guess will have to see how that front end compares with pixel fed. Of course if its nice pixelfed can always just merge it into their own code as well if they wish.

I also am reminded these are all just ideas for what you want to do. Nothing is actually written yet while pixelfed has a good deal of code already. That's a pretty big distinction. Though once you guys do start coding that point may become moot.

@arteteco OAUTH already makes that possible. Just need the activity pub services to start supporting it (some do, not many)

@nipos @witti A public apology would be a good idea then. If I saw that I'd be willing to forgive.

PersonallyI disagree with you on public insights and limits. Each person who runs a server can do so however they wish. As long as those features can be turned on or off any user int he network can choose which server they want to be a part of. If you don't like the fact that one server has insights then move to a server that has it turned off. Me personally I'd pick the server with the insights as I like to have data. Moreover fediration is by its nature open to the public. Therefore anything provided by public insights could be just as easily done through a bot that compiles the same information manually. At least with a public and standard API for it then it is open to everyone more easily rather than just the corporations that can afford the resources needed to run a bot.

As for the quota idea I think its great. Why doesnt mastodon need it? Simple, people arent uploading photograph quality photos. On my camera I can easily fill a 32 GB sd card in a single shooting session. If i use a pixelfed like solution I would use it to store all my raw unedited photos unlisted and then list the best ones from a shoot. I could easily consume a terabyte on a server without a problem. The cost to someone hosting would be really high and likely not even supportable by librepay or similar, people just arent that generous.

Sounds like you guys are so extreme and purist tot he extent of limiting features just because you yourself dont want to see it used (nevermind the fact that people will just write plugins or patches if they really want the feature) that it will probably hurt the adoption or success of your platform. With that said as long as you don't troll and act respectfully within the community then you will have nothing but best wishes from me.

As a side note. You've mentioned all the features you guys are against. So so far I'm hearing that your fork will basically do what pixelfed does, just with a few features taken out. Nevermind the fact that as a system administrator that isnt an appealing sale to me for an alternative. But what features do you plan to ADD that the existing pixelfed doesnt wish to adopt? Its the answer to that question that may give you a leg to stand on.

@nipos @witti No one claimed that forking was a crime. I am not remotely concerned with you forking.

What does worry me is your behavior. I went to go try pixelfed, I noticed the room had several people in it who were PixelFork contributors who went out of their way to troll anyone who came in looking for help. When they were asked to stop they refused, when they were banned within 5 seconds they rejoined under a new ip/host.I went to the pixelfork room, the trolls were all there being encouraged.

Forks are great, but if you act like that you don't deserve my time or respect.

As for me not seeing anything from you guys, I am not talking about an official instance. I'm talking about source code, commits. Havent seen you guys do much of anything useful yet. When you finally do, and if you do, great maybe it will be something decent. But right now my hopes arent too high based on what I saw.

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To be fair most of those have absolutely no ActivityPub support, only talking about the desire to support it at some point in the future. Others are early alpha and cant really be run reliably.

Pixelfed, has no activitypub features

anfora has no userinterface of anykind and is unusuable and not even alpha yet.

Plume is early beta and so buggy it is barely usable.

Prismo has no activitypub features

etc. etc.

While i agree there is a lot of hope for the future and many of these projects are on the horizon and i look forward to them the truth is there really isnt much available
right now in any useful form. But it is clear we are getting there.

@witti What makes you say that?

@DetectiveHyde @wowaname Well yes and no. There are twhree factors that go into your carb limit that I can think of. 1) how many calories you burn in a day 2) how strong your insulin response is 3) your ratio of mitochondria to cells in your body.

WRT to #1 the more you exercise the more carbs you can eat. As long as your burning them off fast enough that you don't replenish your glycogen stores you should remain in ketosis.

#2 means if you have a stronger insulin response your body would probably store carbs more readily then burn them. I'm not 100% on this one but that could play a role.

#3 this is the most overlooked one though. People who are very active and physically fit, or people on keto for a long time, have an increased ratio of mitochondria. This in turn means they can break down sugar faster (and tend to feel more energized as a result).

Obviously fatter people are probably not doing too well on any of those three factors...

@dansup haha, well im sure they know what they WANT pixelfed to be. Too bad they arent willing to put in the work to actually start their own project and have their own vision :)

@rbe_expert Because the calroies for the entire day was probably somewhere around 1000 calories as a result (+/- 200). Thats extremely low for what is expected in a day.

@wowaname Well that explains it then.