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"...what I literally hate is that EVERYTHING under the sun nowadays is called an AI. You know, things that 5–10 years would just go by “algorithm”. Or “heuristic”.

Today for marketing purposes the same f%cking two if statements are already “AI”."

- Andreas
@yacc143
mastodon.social/@yacc143/11264

"generative models actually get worse over time as they consume more and more of their own excrement. The ensuing AI centipede of excremental progress will eventually collapse into a shit pile."

- Tony Vladusich

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Trust in Fediverse seems is fading - AND not being built on as relationships / networks etc - Here are my workings and estimations... 

(Hope I'm not projecting this)

Consider it as a work in progress my dear :fediverse: VERSION 2
(will increment this as I type today) - food for thought...

Hard to see what you see but I guess you use :fediverse: not much more than a few messages - and probably think "why do I need to more?" and "Not my fault if this place fall apart / dies / gets eaten for the same reasons as seen before (take overs / mergers / invaders etc) -

"HEY it should all run without my care / attention / participation to it all! "

TLDR: Below is reasoning of which general group on Fediverse you might fall into (and briefly your mindset / focus which is why you might appear to care whether it's true or not) and also what's going wrong added to under the categories

All as I see / experienced / experiencing in response to my ideas given in general, responses to my ideas or observations from interactions with others (or lack of) without my involvement. Limited but at least closer to first / second hard without any big stake in it other than doing something about XYZ invasions / potentials / building trust in ourselves...

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Basically groups of people who moved over from Twitter cold-turkey from rug-pull type stuff or more intentionally and just Fediverse here now in a similar same way (not really building anything and being mostly user /consumer only)...

and those who *might* realise or not that as time goes on their time here is running out on Fediverse too as and bigger players are simply moving next door / shifting operations (literally Twitter, FB, Meta, Google / Alphabet Group going to dragnet and just move here / use us even more)

And continue to index the fuck out of us with near no-attempt by admins or users to protect us / themselves / their users from data-scraping / stuff (some we can't see but you know their patterns of profit are undoubted and their existence is their own definition of their own existence ⬅️ yes that's clever )... STOP READING if you don't agree with this.

STOP READING if you think predators or war makers changed their stripes and now their intentions are much better and it's not that bad, they wouldn't be so cut-throat in the more-civilised ways of playing off people against themselves to gobble us like a Pacman dots all the while... :pacman: ●☻●☻●☻●☻ :pacman: ◌ ◌ ◌ ◌ ◌

Commercialism's comforts has basically blinded us / made us think it's all ok and doable using their ways.

Anyway here is more on this:

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Groups and basic reasoning why
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█"Boys and Toys" (Computers or similar "This is all going to help" or "this is my fun leave me alone")
█Gamers, FPS shooters - like war playing is ok for so long or ever justified emptying so much time on (we've all been their, now it's time to get out)
█Hobbiest / Modders / Fiddlers (PC. . , , etc)... some genuine hacks we might use "one day" but still their communication is probably limited "like why should I look into anything else other my family and hobbies?"
News ("oh wow this could really save the world again" stuff or "oh my god look what they are doing now... let me re-tweet it.... I mean "boost")
█(etc etc... overall humans who are interacting with non-humans as main material - doing the consumption of time and interaction while not seeing the human sides are lacking as a result - directly communication and therefore systems etc - Advanced users can also be just users with users under them as an instance.

AND ALL here not caring to interact much, few posts back and forth MAX. Not many marathon runners - if you feel bad about this comment you might have been 1 of ?0 I contact during each month directly offering / asking anything and everything to catch a bit of interest, even to dispel any doubts openly.

Verdict: "Humans are inefficient and imperfect therefore ignore them" / "why try it's futile" types of people)

█Bourgeois (Too rich or Rich enough upper-middle class - don't want to rock any boats and happy where they are.
Why spend time on those below me or those non-family people?
Me talk to non-blood related people or think of "1 love" humanity - naaaa)

ANSWER: Like Martial Arts halls you can improve the lower belts by training with them and thos that stick around can be like family who then come up and fight with you / teach next calls or generation... it's not business deal always, but if you treat life like that then it will be just buying / selling people... which we know doesn't work well / ignores the mind or general issues of suffering by people...

Nobody wants to do these things actively apart from a few posts.

█Alternative sexuality- # ... etc
People who escaped from masses of others not quite accepting or upto speed...
More active, vocal and trying that others... probably because their life depends on it and sexuality in danger by those confused by new and strange purely from not having experience / learning from mainstream.


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etc 🚨
all kind of the same and self explanatory
...just some just news echoes or some trying to do it all on their own mostly (which does make sense remember you need lower echelon as cringe as we might be).


A strong potential as already superior in activity and communication (yes even in making sense from things despite profile or server suggesting otherwise). Clever not just in humour or in killing time. A ton of stuff simply to view and ignore without big feelings.

spectators - action watching

Trump etc no need say more - you know why you watch this stuff rather than work on something with us (in the other groups)

to come today... will revise or add new post v soon... follow with notification if important to you (switch off if it's ever bullshit)

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I included the word "you" here to make it "a bit more personal" so you question yourself to which category listed you fall in - and ask yourself if I'm approximately right (?).

It's totally ok to say this to yourself but consider coming out of your zone of comfort.

Made from first hand experience (attempts) and previous measured bias = a list of groups (on Fediverse but general groups too) who are perhaps not doing enough BUT also doing the opposite to their own ethos sometimes (much like Facebook while anti-Facebook and posting there a lot).

I estimate these groups as main reasons why for overall relationships / groups / networks are not to my level of expectation (while still leaving room for other group and reasons)

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EXAMPLES OF SLACKNESS / NO FIGHTBACK OF EVEN EASY STUFF
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Like "no consent" or simple footer for "no permission granted" or "information is not for scraping or used commercially" or CC-BY-SA-NC).

This includes Eugene / Gargon + my admin @freemo who I've asked a good while back either about Google links here feeding the commercial farms (Gargron) or adding a footer to our particular server (freemo).

How bad do people want to keep Fediverse and is there enough people to hold it? Right now, as conversation I'm not sure.
As admins and few conscious yes, but without help of masses and "upgrading" your users then your users are the weak point and we'll just move to the next thing or stick to being "bridged" ( )

I reserve right to correct myself or see if anyone has a good comeback to justify changing this - all is from positive want for better / more reasoning... but my account shows what I've tried a lot... I don't many other to call their account and try for these 'upgrade the weak-points' type of things called users...
users being just are not enough and we can encourage more!

Trust in Fediverse seems is fading - AND not being built on as relationships / networks etc - Here are my workings and estimations... 

(Hope I'm not projecting this title and consider as a work in progress)

Hard to see what you see but I guess you use not much more than a few messages - and probably think "why do I need to more?" and "Not my fault if this place dies to the same reasons as before - it should all run without my care / attention / participation to it all!"

TLDR: Below is reasoning of general groups on Fediverse (and briefly their mindset / focus) and also what's going wrong added to these categories as I see / experienced / experiencing it in response to ideas in general, my ideas or observations of interactions with others (or lack of).

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TLDR (bit longer - or skip to next section)
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Basically groups of people who moved over from Twitter (mostly) and just use it in the same way... who *might* realise or not in time that their time is running out on Fediverse too as and bigger players are simply moving next door (literally Twitter, FB, Meta, Google / Alphabet Group going to dragnet and just move here)
Or continue to index the fuck out of us with no attempt by admins or users to protect us / themselves / their users from data-scraping / stuff (soem I can't see but you know their patterns of profit are undoubted as their definition of their own existence)... STOP READING if you don't agree with this.

If you think predators or war makers changed from their pure-profit intentions and playing off people against themselves to gobble us like a Pacman dot... :pacman: ●☻●☻●☻●☻ :pacman: ◌ ◌ ◌ ◌ ◌ then stop reading and go back to commercialism comforts.

Anyway here is more on this:

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Groups and basic reasoning why
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█Boys and Toys
█Gamers, FPS shooter like war is ok or worth emptying so much time on
█Hobbiest / Modders / Fiddlers (PC. . , , etc)
News ("oh wow this could really save the world again" stuff)
█(etc etc... overall humans dealing with non-humans as main material / time consumption / interaction spent

AND ALL here not caring to interact much, few posts back and forth MAX.

Verdict: "Humans are inefficient and imperfect therefore ignore / why try" types of people)

█Bourgeois (Too rich or Rich enough upper-middle class not to rock any boats and why spend time on those below you or those non-family people / non-blood related)

ANSWER: Like Martial Arts halls you improve the lower belts treating them like family who then come up and fight with you / teach next calls or generation...

Nobody wants to do that actively apart from a few posts.

█Alternative sexuality- ... etc
People who escaped from masses of others not quite accepting or upto speed...
More active, vocal and trying that others... probably because their life depends on it and sexuality in danger by those confused by new and strange purely from not having experience / learning from mainsteam.

spectators - action watching

Trump etc no need say more - you know why you watch this stuff rather than work on something with us (in the other groups)

to come today... will revise this post v soon...

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EXPLAINED STUFF / DISCLAIMER
(or skip to next section...)
=================

I included the word "you" here to make it "a bit more personal" so you question yourself to which category listed you fall in - and ask yourself if I'm approximately right (?).

It's totally ok to say this to yourself but consider coming out of your zone of comfort.

Made from first hand experience (attempts) and previous measured bias = a list of groups (on Fediverse but general groups too) who are perhaps not doing enough BUT also doing the opposite to their own ethos sometimes (much like Facebook while anti-Facebook and posting there a lot).

I estimate these groups as main reasons why for overall relationships / groups / networks are not to my level of expectation (while still leaving room for other group and reasons)

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EXAMPLES OF SLACKNESS / NO FIGHTBACK OF EVEN EASY STUFF
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Like "no consent" or simple footer for "no permission granted" or "information is not for scraping or used commercially" or CC-BY-SA-NC).

This includes Eugene / Gargon + my admin @freemo who I've asked a good while back either about Google links here feeding the commercial farms (Gargron) or adding a footer to our particular server (freemo).

How bad do people want to keep Fediverse and is there enough people to hold it? Right now, as conversation I'm not sure.
As admins and few conscious yes, but without help of masses and "upgrading" your users then your users are the weak point and we'll just move to the next thing or stick to being "bridged" ( )

I reserve right to correct myself or see if anyone has a good comeback to justify changing this - all is from positive want for better / more reasoning... but my account shows what I've tried a lot... I don't many other to call their account and try for these 'upgrade the weak-points' type of things called users...
users being just are not enough and we can encourage more!

mechanises therefore cut off people / become obsolete / irrelevant.

Cuts people out of the picture more often when using ....

not

People AND their mindset as our basic "business".

People should be "busy" in helping grow healthier mentality and improve people's ethical base...

not

#AI is a reflection of people who don't want people in the equation... 

This might be why I'm not so happy with the world and/or see more potential in nice people or my admin or peers.

People might want to work with their computers and AI more than people (so it would be ok if it was both computer-work AND people-work but if it's just mostly computers (even if it's really cool and lights our life up for a bit) then in the end it's spinning more money (and money's debt) instead of actually advancing the average human (which I think talking to each other in circles about our passions and 'therapy' somewhat too) does a hell of a lot more then AI.

AI of no use to humans from what we have already (each other and yes some computing). Everything else more toys and profit machines / server farms.

And we wouldn't even relax even if what you do does help people have less work... the bar would only be raised and you'd have to work harder WITH AI !

So overall the people work is skipped and we miss the whole point of "PROBLEMS" (WHICH IS HUMANS EITHER AS BASTARDS OR IDIOTS/HAVING OTHER FOCUSES).

People miss the whole point IF they think AI can save people when we need to ask humans to do it (whatever it is)... and also to save themselves but not using all in / if at all.

P.S
I mean the new complex AI, the old AI or a paint program assistant / picture filter is much less of a footprint and risk...

work vs by

We have to improve people first or mostly in our work, else we get massive imbalances.

"The data I helped create is going to be bundled in an #LLM and sold back to me." 

etc

Source post by @KathyReid
specifically aus.social/@KathyReid/11241389

People! Please snap out of tech a bit and see the lies and back-stabbing profit!

Imagine it's like Crypto but they are still mining you in other ways and then exiting leaving you high and dry...

"The data I helped create is going to be bundled in an and sold back to me."

Browser Tracking Cookies / Site "Privacy" = Data snooping / siphoning / spying... 

(Text from picture says:)

"WE CARE... ABOUT YOUR PRIVACY
(MEANS FEED US YOUR DATA!)"

2 WebSites sharing me with 200+ companies

44 PARTNERS HERE
+ 183 PARTNERS THERE
FUCK ME, IS EVERYONE
FUCKING ME FOR MY DATA?
AND MY WHOLE LIFE BEING "OPEN SOURCED"?

WebSites
"Partners" Our

COOKIE MONSTERS from the WEBSITES and BROWSERS!

BEST COOKIE ADD-ON / EXTN ?

♥ ☼ Human Intelligence ☼
+ Emotional Intelligence = 🐝 Hive Mind > 🐝🐝🐝

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hive_min ///

Towards Collective Consciousness & Collective Intelligence ☼

🐝🐝🐝
rather than leaning on

Computer Console ----> :mastodon_oops: too much
Human Console -----> :RedCrystalHeart: too little

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When communication stops, and hypocrites continue then War starts to build up and escalate... (internal / external feelings). 

This is also a reason why online fans (true people) turn sour.

It's not just that the fan is crazy or idols are either....

When communication stops 'coincidently' when questioned about their usage of what they are opposite against... then trouble can start to build, as people build on problematic platforms and methods. Again opposite to what THEY talk opposite against.

Even down-to-earth people who have experience in schools and tech (MIGHT MENTION ACCOUNT HERE BUT FEEL IT WILL PUBLICISE THEM INSTEAD) who spending their whole account complaining, claiming to represent or search for better ways and want to practice other principle(s)... BUT SIMPLY DON'T !

THEY ALSO GIVE IN AND USE BAD THINGS! 🤦

Some fans forget these people or the wrong, but I think true fans to better ways (while not expecting perfection) can legitimately hold people accountable and yes try to do things themselves if not with hypocrites (people that talk only to use you).

If you complain about or BIGTECH BUT THEN USE THEM FOR YOUR PODCAST - YOUR CRITICISM AND FLACK IS MEASURABLY JUSTIFIED - MEASURABLY.

We need others to check our own principles and claims... Often it's not terribly hard and if you fall into the 'I don't have time' excuse (which is a mixture of other things which is why we need others to help us get into better multiplayer loops) then take the flack willingly... because we can see remotely you obviously have a lot of time, and do a lot of the same mono-stuff

(if we are to solve anything / do better practices, otherwise carry on you hypocrite).

Not just using people and throwing them after measurable critique and mutual principles are presented well enough (not hate).

from
from using
needed

#AI #problems "Because these machines don’t cite sources, fact-checking is harder" 

"Because these machines don’t cite sources, fact-checking is harder"
- Adrian Randall

@Cyberpreppy
Posted here: mastodon.social/@Cyberpreppy/1

The problem with AI is the people who use AI. :nes_fire: 

The problem with AI is the people who use AI. :nes_fire:

These are people who think their ‘ideas’ are more important than the actual craft of writing, so they churn out all these ‘ideas’ and enter their idea prompts and think the output is a story.”

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Source post:

mastodon.social/@jasonkoebler/

which sources original website:

404media.co/bards-and-sages-cl

Can't trust anyone into who is into in a big way

CAN'T TRUST ANYONE INTO WHO IS INTO IN A BIG WAY

Matrix films & #AI / Sentient Machines (What you might not know!) 

Matrix films & / Sentient Machines

(What you might not know about the film!)

The machines allowed Zion to be created...

(Zion = city with massive series of caverns deep under the ruined planet's surface, close to the planet's core, for warmth, power, and protection)

The machines allowed Zion to be created as a method of coping with the problem of human choice, reducing but not eliminating the instability caused by those who rejected the Matrix.

In order to prevent the entire system from crashing, the machines must periodically destroy Zion and "The One" must reboot the Matrix and choose a group of people to rebuild the city.

Neo discovers that this cycle has occurred five times in the past and is about to complete its sixth repetition.

Stephen Faller writes in his 2004 book Beyond the Matrix that Christianity is the most dominant religious theme in the Matrix films

"Zion is biblically regarded as the city of God"

Niobe explains to Neo that in the 60 years following the end of the war, enough humans left the Matrix to cause a severe power shortage for the machines.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zion_(Th
Theme

AI = Degenerative AI ? [Article summary / best bits] 

AI article summary / best bits / skimmed sentences...

From source: "Are We Watching The Internet Die?"
wheresyoured.at/are-we-watchin

+ [my added comments]

[About Reddit]
...millions of unpaid contributors made billions of posts so that CEO Steve Huffman could make $193 million in 2023 while laying off 90 people and effectively pushing third party apps off of the platform by charging exorbitant rates for API access,

Reddit also announced that it had cut a $60 million deal to allow Google to train its models on Reddit's posts, once again offering users nothing in return for their hard work.

[BUT LET'S FACE IT PEOPLE WILL DO THINGS THEY LOVE FOR FREE AND CAPITALISM CAPITALISES ON THAT - A HARD ONE TO SOLVE AS EVEN I DID OVERTIME FOR FREE AT WORK AND DIDN'T LEAVE TILL LATE OFTEN!! But not any more!"]

...ultra-rich technologists tricked their customers into building their companies for free.

[mentioned] Cory Doctorow's Enshittification theory
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enshitti

Yet what's happening to the web is far more sinister than simple greed, but the destruction of the user-generated internet,

...

And it's slowly killing the internet.

⭐ Degenerative AI [great sub-title]

Generative AI models are trained by using massive amounts of text scraped from the internet, meaning that the consumer adoption of generative AI has brought a degree of radioactivity to its own dataset. As more internet content is created, either partially or entirely through generative AI, the models themselves will find themselves increasingly inbred, training themselves on content written by their own models which are, on some level, permanently locked in 2023, before the advent of a tool that is specifically intended to replace content created by human beings.

... Jathan Sadowski calls "Habsburg AI,"...so heavily trained on the outputs of other generative AIs that it becomes an inbred mutant, likely with exaggerated, grotesque features.

...as its models are trained on increasingly-identical content.

...generative features... immediately fed back into Azure's OpenAI models owned by its parent company Microsoft, which invested $10 billion in OpenAI in early 2023

Generative AI also naturally aligns with the toxic incentives created by the largest platforms.

Google makes up more than 85% of all search traffic and pays Apple billions a year to make Google search the default on Apple devices.

... a cottage industry of automation gurus are cashing in by helping others flood Facebook, TikTok and Instagram with low-effort videos that are irresistible to algorithms.

Generative AI is a perfect tool for soullessly churning out content to match a particular set of instructions — such as those that an algorithm follows — and while an algorithm can theoretically be tuned to evaluate content as "human," so can scaled content be tweaked to make it seem more human.

Google might pretend it cares about the quality of search results, but nothing about search's decade-long decline has suggested it’s actually going to do anything. Google's spam policies have claimed for years that scraped content (outright ripping the contents of another website) was grounds for removal from Google, but even the most cursory glance at any news search shows how often sites thinly rewrite or outright steal others' content.

As we speak, the battle that platforms are fighting is against generative spam, a cartoonish and obvious threat of outright nonsense, meaningless chum that can and should (and likely will) be stopped. In the process, they're failing to see that this isn't a war against spam, but a war against crap, and the overall normalization and intellectual numbing that comes when content is created to please algorithms and provide a minimum viable product for consumers.

We're watching the joint hyper-scaling and hyper-normalization of the internet, where all popular content begins to look the same to appeal to algorithms run by companies obsessed with growth.

... Quora, which now promotes ChatGPT-generated answers at the top of results),

I believe that their goal is to intrude on our ability to browse the internet, to further obfuscate the source of information while paying the platforms for content that their users make for free. Their eventual goal, in my mind, is to remove as much interaction with the larger internet as possible, summarizing and regurgitating as much as they can so that they can control and monetize the results as much as possible.

There's also no way to escape the fact that these hungry robots require legal plagiarism, and any number of copyright assaults could massively slow their progress.

It's incredibly difficult to make a model forget information, meaning that there may, at some point, be steps back in the development of models if datasets have to be reverted to previous versions with copyrighted materials removed.
It's incredibly difficult to make a model forget information, meaning that there may, at some point, be steps back in the development of models if datasets have to be reverted to previous versions with copyrighted materials removed.

Question everything they say. Don't accept that AI "might one day" be great.

Reject their marketing speak and empty fantasizing and interrogate the tools put in front of you, and be a thorn in their side when they try to tell you that mediocrity is the future.

You are not "missing anything.” These tools are not magic — they're fantastical versions of autocomplete that can't help but make the same mistakes it's learned from the petabytes of information it's stolen from others.

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Mastodon users?... Just u$ers?

Mastodon vs. Google: YouTube links are killing / eating alive Mastodon and it's purpose... 

Google / YouTube links (without filter) on platforms like :mastodon: Mastodon kill it.

Kill is a strong word but if you see war outside and authoritarian states / government, then yes slowly or directly it's a death mindset to kill people off which I consider if it's long-term suffering and deliberate neglect, oppression by leaders.

Don't forget all Governments and it's companies registered to it use OUR EARNED money and OUR CLICKS for the pot of war eventually,so advertising is part of that.

Billion of users and links from us to them. 💰 = 💀

ANSWERS EXIST!
You can use INVIDIOUS LINKS INSTEAD @Invidious to filter exactly the same pages as a massive prevention of adverts!!!
TRY IT NOW!
redirect.invidious.io/

Platforms need to actively filter links AND at push to educate its users and train them not to leak data and usage from platform...

(Invidious filters YouTube for example and many Browser extensions could be listed).

One main reason why Mastodon exists is not to leak things.

Developers and users using google and it's links are leaking and letting Google in to their platform... even simply using YouTube links etc to track them.

(again you can use Invidious filter redirect.invidious.io/)

Extracting from our bodies towards bigger profits and pocketing it all is war - don't overlook this while people are starving or can't pay heating bills because they have monopoly.

You could also say it's not killing BUT SIPHONING OUR DATA / EATING US ALIVE, 'maximising profits'.

Google / YouTube links (without filter) on Platforms are killing it.

(I might need to phrase this better but take advice... and say it with love and not just blind emotions).

Leaking data / info from users OR developer accounts themselves on :google: = ☠️ of platform and it's people :skull_cross: )

I mention in Gargron here but respect if he doesn't want / can let me know. ℹ️ I just don't use github or much else and what better than Mastodon for ... to tuning the logic, philosophy, life using it's users to change culture!
Towards proper unity via more intelligent people💌 !

@Gargron

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