arteteco @arteteco@qoto.org

@bfgdhrubo Welcome here, looking forward to your posts!

@eelectric welcome!

@Surasanji
Yeah, I had to mute him
@arxiv_physics

@freemo
Well, not really. A proof is such only in relation to an existing hypothesis/Theory, it has no place in the "real" world beside it.
A fact, as @Surasanji means I think, is something that exists regardless of the opinions, theory or ideas.
If you shape the glass in a certain way and look into it, things will look closer. That is a 'fact'.
Up to you to make it a proof for something, or even use it to disproof something else.

@Surasanji
This.
If I put a stick in the ground, perpendicular to it, in 2 days a year at midday it will have no shadow.

I think a lot can be argued against how pure the experiment is, on the inductive reasoning of it, on the fallacies of simply relying on facts, on how theories distort facts and so on, but something remains, pure: the fact observed itself.

After agreeing upon that, we can work it out together.

@freemo

@hashtaggrammar
Can you point out some work?

I mean, there is some resistance to new ideas, and that is quite obvious from the history of science itself, but eventually the truth emerges.
Regardless of whatever your opinion is, you have to go to incredible lengths to go, say, against the cell theory.
We can see cells, we know a great deal about cells, I don't see how you can easily deny the existance of cells.

I'm not saying psychological biases has a role, but saying that it's the "real issue" seems a bit of an overstatement to me. Interpretation of data seems way more of a difficulty.

@freemo @Surasanji

@Surasanji

Mathematic is tricky in this regard. 2+2 is not really a fact, is something that comes from a convention we can agree upon about how to interpret the world.
I mean, once 2 people both accept the premises of mathematics, they of course have to accept the consequences, but those are not really facts - more akin to pure logic, IMO
@freemo

@astheroth@niu.moe
I don't see contradiction between your statement and the fact/hypothesis pointed out by the NASA. Am I missing something?

@freemo Yeah, but I still wouldn't know what's the opposite of environmentalist =D

@freemo Skeptics are alright to me, they are usually just not well informed, at least the ones I met. Even they'll admit the importance of having a healthy ecosystem thriving with life and providing us water, air and food anyway.

@freemo
What's the opposite of an #environmentalist, I wonder?

@Sci
Can you provide an example?

@QuantumHemp AFAIK there is no data confirming this. Any source I missed?

@Surasanji How big is the field of that skill?

For example, bushcraft survival includes many skills, from cooking to hunting to water harvesting. How up can we go with the levels?

I'd say I'd like the master the skill to learn anything very efficiently, so that all the other skills will still be available but I can enjoy learning them =)

@PJanuszka This had me to sigh a bit... I really miss the times where most discussions were happening on forums.

I still think is likely the best discussion tool we have.

Anyway, I'm glad you are liking it here!

@freemo
One of the best characters *ever*

@Kamiten
Sounds cool, I'll give it a try once I finish my tomato harvest :)

@QuentinMann
I'll come out of the closet: I'm a prime member too.
But I share some cognitive dissonance with you

@4of92000
Who's anyone to say who are you to speak, anyway?

@InvaderXan
I hope I'll forget about it soon