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@khird You are wrong but if you want a more clear example that doesnt actually get you you to sign anything then use parking tickets as an example instead.

But yes that is clearly the point, that a gun activist is fighting to take away your right by force and threat of death or imprisonment. There really is nothing to argue with in that statement it is not just a true fact but obvious. That applies to all criminal laws.

@khird Yes but you are not agreeing to that when you sign (as is clearly stated in the area you sign). It is simply asserting what you must do, which is true whether you sign or not.

That should be common sense, if you are given a misdemenor you either need to pay it or show in court, that is true regardless of if you agree to it or not.

@khird As a kid I never surrendered my license or payed the fine. The result was that they put a note on my credit record, that is all. As for my license if i had been caught driving it would have been taken and i would have faced consequences for driving without a license. That is all. I can say this with certainty as that is what I actually did. Never arrested, never shot, nothing.

@khird Attached you will find an image of a speeding ticket. As you can see by the small print it very clearly confirms my assertion and rejects your own. It says right where you sign "Defendant's signature acknowledges receipt of citation".

@khird (A) I cant speak to california law, never recieved a ticket there. I am however refering to what it says on the tickets in the states I have received tickets. It very clearly states you are only acknowledging receipt.

(B) There misdemenors are not criminal offenses and the consequences are gravely different. When i was a kid i got a speeding ticket, I never showed up in court. No one arrested me, they just revoked my license and gave me a fine.

@khird Actually no, signing the ticket is recognition that you received the ticket, nothing more. the reason not signing the ticket gets you in jail is because by detaining you they can clearly prove that you are in fact the person accused.

The point remains though, other than a day or two in jail (until your identity is verified) there are no greater consequences. You will under no circumstances be shot and killed and under no circumstances expiernce any extended period in captivity.

Though I would argue that yes, even then we should recognize the harshness we assign such an act legally.

@celesteh I think this perfectly sums up why I dont play the euphemism game according to the left or the right. Its a waste of energy and childish, not to mention leads to less accurate language. I prefer precision in my language and non-partisan signaling. Long story short, I reject the euphemism treadmill (as I stated earlier).

cato.org/blog/use-euphemisms-p

@celesteh Again of all my friends who are Illegal Immigrants not a single one is antagonized by it. It has not been limited to the USA (as I expiernced it several times in reference to myself in the netherlands).

So most of your assertions seem to be a fabrication, mostly by extreme leftists who like to argue about language all day and then call people hitler or bigots when some nuance of language doesnt line up with their own. Not a game I'm willing to play, too immature.

Just to be clear extremists rights have issues too. extremists of any side generally have a host of undesirable qualities. So dont assume that just because I hate extremists on one side that I find them acceptable on the other.

@khird No, no one is going to kill me if i insist on jay walking, even if i refuse to go to court over it, nor will they arrest you. Most they will do is fine you.

So more specifically it refers to any sort of CRIMINAL law, which is a very important distinction. But yes, any criminal law has the grave consequence of being enforced by threat of death or imprisonment. Thus anytime we make such a law it should be considered such that the severity is fully recognized. It isnt inflamatory, it is stating it like it is.

@celesteh Agreed, and as I said many times before, the net impact of immigrants is positive not negative. So there is really no reason to have any animosity towards someone simply for being an immigrant or not knowing the language. As someone who is in the exact same shoes as you (in the netherlands) I can relate.

@celesteh Simple

first I dont see it as dehumanizing, nor did I when it was used to describe me, nor does any of my friends who are illegal immigrants.

second I use it because it is a more accurate term than the alternative and I generally find the euphemism treadmill to be a waste of energy and causes more conflict than good in most cases.

You seem to be under the very faulty impression I somehow dont want migrants, even illegal ones. As I stated in my opening remarks, I do not feel we should waste any real money on deporting illegal immigrants,a nd I would even support completely open borders if it werent for the fact that welfare would make that impractical.

@doctorow I'm confused, shouldnt we applaud the courage it takes to come forward and admit you did something wrong. It isnt easy facing the consequences when you do something wrong. He also should go to jail for admitting the crime, I hope that part happened too. If not that is more the issue than applauding his admission of guilt.

So my Directional Coupler performed fairly well. Here is the output from my spectrum analyzer. Basically one trace is for the forward port when the antenna is matched, the other is when the antenna is an open circuit. Then the other two traces are the same condition on the reflected port.

As you can see all the powers show a nice flat -20db coupling. Only exception is the one cyan trace that shows the reflected port when the antenna is matched. Since there are no reflections as expected the response is much less. It is also not linear which is to be expected.

Pretty similar results to my last attempt. Though going with fewer windings this time (8 instead of 12) seems to have results in a slight stronger coupling (-20 dBM rather than the -23 dBM I got before).

All in all I'd say its a success.

@trianglman You read what you wanted to read, I never said I wasnt an illegal nor did I say i didnt want to be called one, but rather the exact opposit. I stated clearly that I was Illegal and would refer to myself as "illegal" as did my friends.

What i did say however is that the word "immigrant" didnt apply to me at the time because I didnt immigrate there at the time. I NEVER objected to the word illegal being used to refer to me, I gave the example of "being here illegally" but it also applys to many other terms used to describe me "Illegal visitor", "illegal resident" etc, all of which I used to describe myself and my friends did as well while there. I did go on to explain why the word "immigrant" didnt apply to me, but thats neither here nor there.

But hey whatever you need to tell yourself to keep justifying the trolling. Again, it isnt welcome here, nor is bigotry. But poiinting out something is illegal when it is in fact illegal is perfectly acceptable.

No one here wants to dehumanize people, thats just what you have convinced yourself so you could keep being an ass and everyone thinks your fighting the good fight. Agaain if you were talking to someone who actually was being mean to a particular race then by all means id support you. but your doing nothing but making an ass of yourself and what you stand for. So again, go away until you decide to actually not troll.

You literally are telling someone who was an illegal resident what they can or cant call themselves and others in the same boat as me and then trying to tell me I'm the one who is being the bigot.

LOL, as much as i appreciate and support the message of "we are all the same if you look past the color of our skin" I always laugh a little inside when I see that skull meme passed around. I think its just because I know enough science to recognize that there are professionals (usually archeologists or criminologists) whose entire job is to identify what someone looks like (including race) based on their skull.

One of those examples where the meme's intention is right but the execution is wrong. Either way this meme made me giggle.

@trianglman Stop being a troll and go away now. Not only do I see them as human I am an immigrant living in another country, learning their language and at times having been an illegal immigrant.

We are not describing the human as illegal, we are describing the immigration as illegal, just as i used it to describe my own immigration status when I was in another country illegally.

I dont mind your argument or stance, but when you make it personal with absolutely no justification the only person who looks like a biggoted ass is you.

@cm

@Liberty4Masses Well again that depends on context and who is using it. If the person speaking is themselves religious it most likely means "something ordained/encouraged by god". To someone who is not religious likely means the same as reverence.

The important part here though is even to the religious types something being sacred does not make that something a religion. Saying democracy is sacred does not make democracy a religion anymore than saying life is sacred makes all life a religion. It simply demonstrates the level of respect one has for the subject.

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