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@icedquinn

Yea but conning them into bieving a fake history doesnt actually constitute an attack since they arent the ones validating the history. You might be able to convince them they have a balance they dont have if you overtake a majority of their peers, but since they arent validating transactions themselves that wont do anything useful since they will discover it was all a lie the second they try to act on it (Such as accepting or sending money that doesnt really exist).

@worldsendless

@icedquinn

Yes light nodes contribute **nothing** to the security of the network. Their main purpose is just so you can have a local wallet going without needing 100 TB hard drive :)

@worldsendless

@icedquinn

Its not changes to the history im worried about. In a 51% attack you can effectively issue brand **new** transactionns on the side chain that can get validated when they shouldnt be. Though again there are solution.

@worldsendless

@icedquinn

The reason this is generally not done is because the security of any one chain is only as large as the number of participants on that chain (depending on the type of validation done that may be PoW, PoS or whatever). Therefore the challenge is to ensure you dont partition your chains to the point that any one chain can be broken through a 51% attack. Regardless any partitioning at all of this nature will always be a trade off between some degree of security and efficiency (of which space efficiency is pat of that).

@worldsendless

@freemo "Umm, ackshually" only local hidden variables have been disproven by experimental verification of Bell's theorem; non-local hidden variables may still exist :ablobtonguewink:

@freemo Since many chips are leveraging quantum effects now...you're saying quantum mechanics is the assembly language of assembly language. And if the hidden variables hypothesis is true, there's assembly for QM! By induction we claim it's turtles all the way down; this is left as an exercise for the reader.

@johnabs Hidden variables has mostly been disproven, but yea :)

@Shamar I care too, and please by all means feel free to remind me.

@Shamar Would it help you if temporarily I posted it from the official QOTO account and then get it on the actual server in the near future?

@Shamar Im really sorry, and it is important for sure. I have been working 13 hour days and **still* had to work over the weekend. Though honestly I mostly slept. I promise its at the top of my non work priorities. The issue is to update the link I have to recompile and deploy the whole server because it is docker-based, so its non trivial.

@trinsec
If your point was that i tell awesome jokes then yes, yes i did.

@trinsec
You're juat jelly cause you want me and my sexy humor all to yourself.

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