HUMAN CHANGE = WORK TOGETHER ? @freeschool@qoto.org

Human tree of "work" also means " not just #Tech heavy trees of work "

The many are doing 1-way posts right now is great too but many want and need for more... AND want to do it together. We can never be 'independent' and need to build trust best we can without #BigTech always as the main development. People's dreams also need a place.

So using using ourselves and our dreams and other announcements in a more focused way by users and admins who can focus this, it means meetings in audio chats weekly allows us to feed our main points and dreams into themselves together and work in mass from the parts we already have and love to do (for each other and for ourselves). We can't do it alone and expect it to work either!...

The personal progress, dreams and aim for happiness TOGETHER is the main difference in the picture which many text based system trees can't achieve or even do humanly (email, social etc all text). Audio chats help us practice and announce things balancing the practice of being human and negotiating points with findnig the right people and principles.

Happy to chat with anyone or help who doesn't get the main different of "work" because you might be "working" and missing the whole point or meaning in life (this is what the established systems want to cut out).

#People progress not just #Tech progress mainly

STATUS UPDATE -
PROJECTS ONGOING!...

ADD YOUR OWN DREAM HERE FOR OTHERS TO WORK ON IT.

PROJECT / BACK-BURNER IDEAS WELCOME! RE-IGNITE YOUR IDEAS

The idea is a fictional attempt to show a control panel to represent all ouR effort from saying our wants / needs / skills to each other and FEEDING THAT into a system @freemo might make (for example) and we ant build organically what we can together with whoever to mix and match / find ourselves / use skills together for making project.

From Freemo's advice and original QOTO concept they sky would be the limit. (which we could test with a #poll to see how many answer or for what type of asking.

Asking other people's advice seem link a good acid-test!

With QOTO as our already-chosen excuse to be here (and that's why a lot of us are here - a lot of us chose or wanting this space contribute / be part of something more than just 1-way posting) we can naturally from mass make something IF our beloved Captain and Master Diver 🌊 can orientate the server towards US as the product and drive (whatever we help each other with) and material to use as skills.

If you imagine this as a more human fulfillment and towards happiness or collaboration, finding our place, participating in 'something' then you can see sky is the limit and how it would be worthwhile and even we would run it ourselves after a bit of leadership or guidance and people don't have to stop what they do just focus it here and magnify those effort from a bit of organising, personal dreaming and making it happen!

( making "it happen" I feel needs each other and with less money in between and more passion / heart - we already love what we do so let's find a way in QOTO to bring it together as a project in itself - Maybe you can help manage this management?! )/

THOUGHTS WELCOME

[PIC = FICTIONAL BUT COULD BE REAL CONTROL PANEL]

CREDIT: FreeOrion game for picture I've modifiedl cropped /edited

SOURCE: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/97/Freeorion_game_research.jpg

#Quote #Education "...my feeling is that that system is a large part of the problem."

- @LShashaty / Post: https://sfba.social/@LShashaty/113052313503808008

#PinkFloyd was also quoted:
"All in all we're just another brick in the wall" which also shows very well that the system is using people in a very unskillful or en mass mono-cultural way just the same type of brick wall system or 1 system for many types of people.

(as pictured we're all different types of animals we could all use better in other ways that the same tests where the type of test is wrong / irrelevant for our true nature and indeed life as we want it in the 'system' often forcing or funneling us to what those types of people want / don't want).

#FreeSchool ❤️ 📖 ☑️

KEEP COPY OF LAW AMENDMENTS WITH YOU!

Few seconds showing Chillie the police auditor who has a copy to read or show a cop his own rights and jo of police ! It in his video intro and good practice in real life!

https://invidious.jing.rocks/watch?v=YfsuPXdan24&t=0m13s

#Police #Education + #Legal #Lessons #Citizens #Journalists #Law #ACAB #Authority #Audit

Copy 📋 #Amendments IT'S YOUR #HUMANRIGHTS #LEGAL DEFENCE

STRESSFUL BUT GOOD PREPARATION

#LEARNING = #EMPOWERMENT
(NOT BEING #SCARED)

#NoCrime = #NoID
#Police have #NoIdea #Cops

" Sometimes you have to walk into the uncomfortable.... "

- Bethany Hamilton #Quote

Video: https://invidious.jing.rocks/watch?v=Pzl3VH9PwRs&t=2m45s

" I find in #relationships for example, sometimes you have to have the uncomfortable #conversations to make that relationship more beautiful,

But a lot of us want to avoid that and stuff, and in the long run that just makes the relationship less beautiful and less meaningful and less filled with depth.

And then eventually that relationship may dissipate. "

#Video starts from time of quote:

https://invidious.jing.rocks/watch?v=Pzl3VH9PwRs&t=2m45s

#Telegram #App #Russian #CEO #Durov #Arrested outside #Paris #France #Politics #Ukraine

Short video: https://invidious.jing.rocks/watch?v=1ZVppzNWu7c

Hard to remain neutral inside all this Geo-politics.

A Strategy for Mutual Understanding [updated Sunday]

Developed by CFAR
(Center for Applied Rationality)

The goal is to simply pin down where exactly two people disagree.

To pragmatically go through the tensions in Truthseeking.

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#Algorithm used:
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1. Find a disagreement with another person
2. Operationalize the disagreement
3. Seek double cruxes
4. Resonate
5. Repeat!

" important is that even when people are "wrong," they are usually partially right "

#Conflict #Resolution in #Relationships = #DoubleCrux #Game
Towards #Collaboration #Cooperation #Reconciliation

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MAIN LINK TO SOURCE
+ MY #NOTES AFTER IN THE REST OF THIS POST
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🔗 1/ https://www.rationality.org/resources/updates/2016/double-crux

[below is the same cross-posted info in case the link above doesn't work and links at the end of this post as extra writing]

🔗 2/ LessWrong [cross-posted from 1/] http://lesswrong.com/lw/o6p/double_crux_a_strategy_for_resolving_disagreement/

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WHAT IS A "CRUX" ?
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A "crux" usually means important point, but in this context it is any fact, if they believed differently about that fact, then they would change their conclusion in the overall disagreement. Each person offers a way to change their mind with something smaller in the disagreement.

A "double-crux" is a crux is a fact for both parties that would help them change their mind.

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█ My own example (I made up) is about Solar Panels "I do not believing they work long term"... "but I'd be convinced if regular people have posted somewhere more concretely their long-term experience or find a manufactured that has tested 1000's of them to see the real rate of failure / life expectancy."

"We can't just trust fairly new technology or Chinese hit-and-miss quality".

Even though there is not much else choice for "solar" or "portable" electricity that's the main thing

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(I did write more in this section below but is really not needed and only as I started thinking deeper about solar panels - you can skip this next part...)

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SO FOR EXTREME CONVINCING I'D NEED SOME MORE METRICS

"I'd feel much better and be convinced a lot more if we could:

✔️ Work out ourselves how much a solar panel costs in oil energy itself
+ time in manufacturing
+ what metals and other materials are in it
+ from where they comes from...
+ facts given in a reliable way -

....then I might be convinced solar panels are not a gimmick or extension of oil !!

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⚠️ WHAT'S MY PROBLEM
WITH THIS METHOD?
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⚠️ MY BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH THIS IS FINDING SOMEONE WILLING TO DO THIS WITH - MOST OF MY LIFE PEOPLE HAVE SILENTLY AVOIDED AND RESISTED ⚠️

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but.... if you do find someone....

"... that feeling you get when you genuinely change your mind... "

" The idea is to get you and someone you disagree with into a situation such that hopefully one of you will be able to change your mind. It is genuinely one of the most awesome experiences I've ever had... "

- Eric Herboso

https://www.ericherboso.org/2016/01/the-double-crux-game.html

" First, you need a friend who's willing to do this with you. It only works if you're both intellectually honest, willing to change your mind if presented with sufficient evidence, and excited about the progress of getting closer to truth... "

" But even in these "failures", I've found the double crux game to be an immensely rewarding experience, because it usually helps both sides to understand the perspectives of each other much more. "

Pete Michaud points out that you can use the game to resolve cognitive dissonance by examining your internal epistemic rationality, or even to build deep, sustainable caring by playing between the parts of you that thinks some part of the world matters and parts of you that are afraid to look in that direction.

#Conflict #Resolution in #Relationships = #DoubleCrux #Game
Towards #Collaboration #Cooperation #Reconciliation

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DEEPER: ASKING TO BE
CONVINCED
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" In a debate I am challenging the other person for their best arguments, which I probably won't find immediately convincing. However, I can then ask myself "what should be added to their argument that would convince me? "

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/isDnrPdRaXj5Ce3dN/a-concrete-multi-step-variant-of-double-crux-i-have-used

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OTHER QUOTES SIMILAR
OR USEFUL TO METHOD
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" Ultimately, each move should be in service of reversing the usual antagonistic, warlike, "win at all costs" dynamic of most disagreements.

If we can move the debate to a place where, instead of fighting over the truth, we're collaborating on a search for understanding, then we can recoup a lot of wasted resources.2

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/exa5kmvopeRyfJgCy/double-crux-a-strategy-for-mutual-understanding

- Duncan Sabien

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Tensions in Truthseeking
by Raymond Arnold

https://www.alignmentforum.org/s/aoLetzM8xnBPqKBGj

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The Umbrella Ethic of Good Faith — Nell Watson

The space remained sacred. I knew it had different rules, and did my best to follow them. When I was incorrect, they explained. Use 'I' statements. Things about your own beliefs, your models, your feelings. Things you know to be true. Pay attention to your body, and how it is feeling, where things come from, what they are like. Report it. At one point one participant said they were freaking out. I observed I was freaking out. Someone else said they were not freaking out. I said I thought they were. The first reassured me they thought there was some possibility we'd survive. Based on their prior statements, that was an update. It helped a little.

https://www.nellwatson.com/blog/the-umbrella-ethic-of-good-faith

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What we need is for Sarah to hang out and around people who believe we should value (on every meta level) such thinking MORE, not less.

- Zvi Mowshowitz

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Sarah Constantin who writes up the conversations she's had and some origins around it all... she's interested

Gleanings from Double Crux on “The Craft is Not The Community”

https://srconstantin.wordpress.com/2017/08/30/gleanings-from-double-crux-on-the-craft-is-not-the-community/

Encourages using Dictionary words for expression

1█ Find something you disagree about:

Same Word, different meaning?
Equivocation / vague ?
Talking past each other ?

Bring disagreements about facts to the the surface, or cause them to disappear in semantics

2█ Play Taboo Game
Hasbro(TM) version: Guess a word without using it or synonyms
Avoid Arguments over definitions / semantics
Dissolve disagreements by defining your terms or...
Taboo the disputed term and make your arguments without it

ℹ️ From Richard Acton's Better Disagreement Source Modified (some layout / added words)

https://prezi.com/_er3ebasdwr5/better-disagreement-2/

#Pioneer #Training #Better #Disagreement

#Thanks to those helping (directly or indirectly) skimming my long posts especially and making fixes / solutions. Even TLDR version occasionally help expression.

Good stuff. #Gratitude

#Plastic is stuck in our body?

The Dark #Science of #Micro #Plastics
https://invidious.jing.rocks/watch?v=B4S5vTIFMPk

=========
#Notes below:
=========
Good also for showing the chemical derivatives of Naphtha / Naptha (Nafta in some languages?) which is sourced from Crude #Oil 💧

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Hashtag Summary of Process:
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#waste #bags 🛍️ + #rubbish in #weather = #climatechange and #environment #problems / #pollution

⭐ 460, 000, 000 tons (2019)
09% of that recycled...

📋 How does it get in us ? 📋
😖 Inhaled and Ingest from 🌬️ wind / water / rain ☔ spread
😖 Drinking from plastic bottles directly!! 🍼 +👶 babies lol
😖 Clothing particles (almost ALL plastic polymers now and very cheap) 👚 👔
😖 Cosmetics - micro-beads used in products for "cleaning" as it's abrasive
😖 Single use plastics (cups, polystyrene, containers etc)

Plastics are not organic after being processed and can't be broken down by common nature (which would usually be a big help to us).
There are no enzymes in or body or nature to digest or break it down. Means they can be lodged in us. In the cell, organs like throat, Brain, heart lungs, intestine, spline, Liver - almost all...

Inflammation?... Cognitive dysfunction?... Auto-immune disease... Cancer... ☑️ Plastic

(yes I'd like a bag for that!) ☣️ ⚠️

Allowing criminals or anyone different to existing population into countries are deliberate to change the country’s demographics.

Even those usually not allowed can suddenly be allowed to flood the market as "new fresh" workers who are prepared to undercut the existing workforce and usually always follow and accept since it's better than their war-torn country. They will accept almost anything so making it competition with existing expensive workers changing culture again for profit.

Suddenly you see Africans shipped to Sweden or places around which almost certainly wasn't by chance !

#Freshies #Africans #Others
#Installing #Injecting #UnderCut #Population for #Profit
#Less #HumanRights !

Image for reference only.

Usually the existing population has standards and higher costs #Governments no longer wish to pay - So "get the next lot of freshies in" almost like modern banana boats (none of this is racially intended to be offensive and people do use race against others).

Ice Cream made from a new fermentation process from whey which was created without using dairy products. Pictured is box of Breyers Ice Cream.

#IceCream from #Fermentation #PrecisionFermentation #Whey #Protein
#Vegan #Food #Dairy #NonDairy

#Nostalgia #Web 🌐
#SmallWeb #Retro #Internet

20years ago was 2004 - OH MY!

Media History (Epic 2014 : Robin Sloan) #SocialMedia

https://invidious.jing.rocks/watch?v=Bt3TmUW90B8

#Social #Media Before 2004
THERE WAS

❌ No Evil Google (was just getting VC money)
❌ No FaceBook
❌ 📱 No iPhone 📱
❌ No Twitter

❌ 🌐 No broadband for everyone
❌ 📵 Not as many mobiles, notifications etc

ONLY 20years have passed! 🎀 🎏 🍾

Actually not that long (we have listened to bands longer and time flies)

THIS GIVES ME GREAT HOPE TO EDIT..UNDO WHAT ACCOUNTS OR DEVICES WE CREATED IN OUR LIFE.

🏭 #BigTech to #SmallWeb 🕷️🕸️ ?
(I hope!) It's the conscious decision!

WE TAKE THE HIT FOR LESSONS LEARNED BY REMOVING #BIGTECH IT / I.T. INTO OUR LIFE AND DO:

#SMALLWEB
#SMALLTalk

(even if using bigtech 🏭 more sparingly AND we do everything we do now with more of a #HUMAN quality)

===============================
🔽 #Emojji version of Our History! 🔽
===============================
We went from....

📇 Card Index to File Manager 🗃️

💾 Floppy Disk to CD 💿

and now ...?

💻 Big Computers to Small Mobiles / Portable 📱

🏭 #BigTech to #SmallWeb 🕷️🕸️ (I hope!)

⬆️ (please add you own!) ⬆️

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Just to reflect the temporary nature of what business is as mostly a money-minded mentality of people for power or mutual greed.

Rather than working on mutual things THAT LAST, things are done the cheapest way or brutal way with lack of any attempt to caring, educating it's people and usually all attained through force or indirect kinds of monopolisation. #Money and #Banks itself being one of the them and directly funding #wars.

Often #banks funding both sides.

#States and big groups know as "companies" (all meanings) who see each other as friends or comrades one day and suddenly replaceable / killable / cashing them in the next. 🔫 🤑

Even if this is hard to imaging if now one is #invading the other... it's still just normal / regular for one "company" to try absorb / kill another in such a deliebrately faulty / negative model of economics ( #debt ) needing such levels of death for things to "grow" (or simply happen again) and regularly see in history of every empire to repeat itself... unless one day we get out of such harsh debt-creation and "market-based" economics sucking everything hard as extraction and leaving individuals and nature for dead (same war different harder / softer games)

So I really wouldn't be surprised if they should hands suddenly for something more mutually beneficial...

➡️ The Lesson here?
Business itself (the Selling / Buying / Renting of people) and selling out of nature and various sacred things is the bad-doing of things as purely for profit i.e. government and bank's politics not yours / economics as the basic standard for everything else built on top. It's not a charity you know! But do send us your donations !

I don't have the answer for if Ukraine were to become a puppet state or the same copy as every other country if it wins waging war on it's people / screwing them hard for their money. This kind of war is more realistic than or example supermarket wars or British Gas Company increasing heating costs on people right before winter lol 🔥

Even between enemies, many deals / "cease-fires" have been made... but still the war goes on even in peaceful countries drawing things out in other deals...

#humour on what #Rumi as the #quote below says:

"Somewhere beyond right and wrong, there is a garden. I will meet you there.
- Rumi

The quote is probably more accurately about right and wrong and meeting in beautiful place together, sharing "as the middle perspective" or entirely just "beautiful place" as the view for things without right and wrong...

...but I go for my own interpretation that we need to do the middle ground or other perspective AND go to the garden to meet in person also !

TLDR; Going to any garden of thought might be easy but practicing talking longer together is the art we also need do practice of online beforehand also!

Of course online more privately too not #Zoom #Skype etc but #Jitsi and #Jami,
#WebRTC or #SIP protocals.

⚠️ 💥 Can't just do short text talking !! 💥 ⚠️
That always = war / shallow depth / misunderstanding and often lots of it which is longer than clearer long text or safe audio chats !

When Rumi said "I will meet you there" he also could have said "meet me online before so we know which garden we will be in!... so we don't get lost in the wrong one for hours and hours calling each other when we get there !"

Deliberately faulty mathematical equations allow people to build on debt and are mostly to keep people working... for the bank.

(i.e. Aside from the little good #banking itself and #banks are full of holes and #debt because " #money " itself is different to what most people think it means as value and not debt mostly).

People and bank and the whole system can't pay for itself so therein lies the #injustice or false pretenses which isn't positive (actually it's #negative since debt is negative) so all bad stuff tends to roots accordingly and snowball into #war.

Get rid of banks or minimise and see the justice balance better
(banks pay for #wars remember)

War with #Russia gives us time ⌛ before those leaders focus on our peoples internally...

#War #External then #Internal

(Ukraine or any country will copy the same as UK / USA etc, just take a look)

#War #External (Russia)
then #Internal (Ukraine or any country on itself or to others !)

❓ Isn't it always the same?
❓ Who is looking for real #economic #peace (by getting rid of it) from these countries?
❓Aren't they all just a smaller framework like #America ?

#BANKS ARE LIKE A LEAKING SYSTEM

YOUR MONEY IS IN THE BANK RIGHT MAKING MORE DEBTS FOR BANKS AND EVERYONE ELSE IN THE WORLD

(*MULTIPLE* LOANS FROM JUST ONE LOT OF MONEY WHICH IS BAD MATHS / LOAN WHAT YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE)

THIS CHEAPENS YOUR MONEY AND DILUTES IT AS THERE IN MORE DEBT IN THE SYSTEM THAN ACTUAL MONEY AND SUDDENLY FROM YOUR SMALL AMOUNT THERE'S LOTS OF DEBT.

BANKS SIT ON OTHER PEOPLE'S SAVINGS AND LEND RECKLESSLY WHILE YOU WORK HARD AND THEY GET OTHERS TO PAY INCREASING DEBTS IN THE WHOLE SYSTEM...

AND WE PAY #BANKS IF *THEY RUN OUT* OF #MONEY TOO!

⌚ #BANKRUN TIME ⌚

⌚ BANKS = #FUCKERY #ENSHITIFICATION ⌚

" Our servers are powered by 100% Green Energy " ... Do you believe it?

https://www.anarchistfederation.net / @AnarchistFederation

Is it a claim too far with 100%?

Maybe all is now consider "renewable" because all Planet is somewhat "renewable" ??

#RenewableEnergy ?

Usually with most controversial products like #Coffee or #Recycling etc, we don't see where it comes from or goes.

And this is most of the challenge as a kind of rebranding,

#FairTrade or "Kinder to forests" etc might be real or just the same plantations and #chicken farms under a new snappy name or new banner simply claiming to be better regulated but is just the same people who got together to create a different impression / aesthetic).

IS it just two word put together as "fair" and "trade" but fairness never part of business?

This #sweatshop is much less crueler than it was before, we promise and it's totally a new #factoryfarming centre and not the same old thing as before... we create the impression it's a whole new thing with packaging on the front or for #Energy some new #greeenwashing sloagans!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_trade

Is it just talk / packaging?

"Most notably for handicrafts, coffee, cocoa, wine, sugar, fruit, flowers and gold..." from same places as before... allegedly under more fair wages or rules etc.... ?

☑️ #FixIT #FixDebt #TheMoneyFix
🚫 #Banks 🚫 #Money
⛔ Less #Debt Production ⛔

❓ Or do you want more debt? ❓
(other people's debt also reduced your currency)

Pay It Forward! ➡️ ♻️ 🔵
#Gift someone on #Fediverse ! 🚀

🔗 https://invidious.jing.rocks/watch?v=TwmM5Nb6hiE
or
🔗 https://redirect.invidious.io/watch?v=TwmM5Nb6hiE