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@LouisIngenthron

> I agree, but rather than a binary, I see it as more of a spectrum.

While there is no doubt a spectrum that can exist, and a few people may exist along the spectrum. I do find the distribution is highly uneven with a strong favoring of either end of the spectrum and with significantly less concentration in the middle.

> I largely fall into the former camp, but there are still some behaviours that I consider to be unacceptable "reply guy" behaviours. Some examples would be (a) replying in a condescending tone to a subject matter expert on the subject they're an expert of; (b) replying to pedantically obsess about a tiny detail of the OP while missing the larger point; (c) replying dismissively of the OP's perspectives and personal experiences just because they conflict with the replier's. Most of these things are just basic manners in any conversational context, but I get why they can, for example, be especially problematic for women online.

These, at least to me, have little to do with the "reply guy" behavior... that sjust generally being an asshat and has little to do with you replying and giving an unwelcome opinion... Its like if i give an unwelcome opinion while punching you in the face... For example a, its not that they disagree with an expert, its that they are condescending, which is rude regardless if someone is an expert. (b) isnt because your pedantic in your reply so much as the fact that you are completely missing the point. A small detail that may not address the point but also doesnt miss it would be perfectly find (c) has less to do with dismissing a persons conclusion and more to do with the casual illogical way in which it is done **only** due to disagreeing, etc

To me reply guy isnt "A person replying who is genuinely and objectively rude by any measure".. a reply guy is someone who "there is nothing wrong with your reply, but it is not the narrative I want told on my feed"

@LouisIngenthron

I think the problem is more fundemental than that. I have noticed for many decades (perhaps before I was born) there are two major classes of people with a pretty hard divide. One group of people dont see "reply guy" as bad, in fact, they want to encourage it, they feel open discussion and debate and expression of opinions are a good thing. These people also dont generally feel conversations and threads are "owned" by their poster, but is rather an invite to a public forum about some utterance. These people tend to be the "reply guy" but also are overjoyed when they see others being the "reply guy" on their own posts. They generally see anti-"reply guy" people as the socially corrupt.

Similarly you have tne anti-"reply guy" people, these people tend to be super censored and generally are offended by other peoples opinions and more importantly feel they have some ownership or domain about the discussion that arises over their utterances and threads. These people have a "you are in my house" attitude int he threads and generally feel they can make any arbitrary social expectations as such. Typically they have extremely strict idea of what is acceptable or not in their comments... any disagreement, negativity, facts they dont deem as facts, etc is an offense. Even just making it about you in some way can be an offense. These sort of people see the reply guys as just plain trolls and are generally very concenred with ettiquette and formalism and closed rather than open forums.

@skaly

I think at least with some people the only fucks they give are to brands sometime and have none left for people. Which is a shame.

@LouisIngenthron

I think the problem is more fundemental than that. I have noticed for many decades (perhaps before I was born) there are two major classes of people with a pretty hard divide. One group of people dont see "reply guy" as bad, in fact, they want to encourage it, they feel open discussion and debate and expression of opinions are a good thing. These people also dont generally feel conversations and threads are "owned" by their poster, but is rather an invite to a public forum about some utterance. These people tend to be the "reply guy" but also are overjoyed when they see others being the "reply guy" on their own posts. They generally see anti-"reply guy" people as the socially corrupt.

Similarly you have tne anti-"reply guy" people, these people tend to be super censored and generally are offended by other peoples opinions and more importantly feel they have some ownership or domain about the discussion that arises over their utterances and threads. These people have a "you are in my house" attitude int he threads and generally feel they can make any arbitrary social expectations as such. Typically they have extremely strict idea of what is acceptable or not in their comments... any disagreement, negativity, facts they dont deem as facts, etc is an offense. Even just making it about you in some way can be an offense. These sort of people see the reply guys as just plain trolls and are generally very concenred with ettiquette and formalism and closed rather than open forums.

@skaly

A fuck is more valuable than gold in todays economy. :)

@skaly

Good, fucks are the last thing I want people giving :)

Woot, extended 2 more job offers today, one Jr. and one Sr. I suspect there are at least 3 more people in the pipeline I will be hiring. All from this one post.

That leaves at least 10 out of 15 positions open for anyone still looking for a job!

We also just donated another $5K to our open-source fund. This will go to paying open-source contributors on our projects bounties for completing certain tasks. Very excited by that as well. We are even using it on interviews for code projects so in a sense we are paying people to take interviews with us even if they dont get the job through those bounties. I am getting some interesting reactions with that one.

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@robryk That was kind of my thinking. If they are this fast and loose with the psudoscience I pretty much expect this thing to be half cyanide and mercury :)

I bought a B-12 liquid vitamin supplement and in the ingredients it lists:

* Triple-distilled biophotonic structured water
* Ormus Supercharged Minerals

I really dont care if this thing has B-12 in it or not, fuck you with this psudoscience labeling I will never buy this product again!

@HAK

As I said, a civiized society would disengage when asked. So if an account you deem as misinformation tries to debate you then you should say "Please dont contact me about this, i do not wish to ever discuss this with you", and which point that should be honored and you'd never hear from them again.

I am not suggesting you have to invest even a moment of time on anyone that wouldn't be of value to you beyond the simple courtesy of expressing your desire to not engage.

In a civilized society blocking shouldnt ever be needed because people respect your boundaries. If those people are acting uncivilized and not respecting those boundaries then blocking is the logical next step in my mind.

@bibliolater Yup, full text search is temporarily disabled to make the upgrade process we will be going through much faster. At the end it will be reenabled at which point all the old toots will be searchable again.

@HAK I think with everything it is nuanced. In my personal opinion (you do as you feel is right) blocking is only acceptable if you politely ask someone to disengage and they dont. A proper respectful society at least attempts to discuss things civilly before resorting to more heavy handed tactics.

As with anything too much can be abusive towards others, too little abusive towards you, there is a balance to be had.

@volkris

Society isnt being held at gunpoint. The rules and ethics around an individual being held at gunpoint that society should agree on is the question.

@notaleman

@freeschool Yea. I have an idea as to whats going on, but i cant test it until we get a staging environment. which is what we are working on now. Our system admin is trying to set that up, once its up we can bug fix in that.

I need a bit of patience as we now have funding and will be moving forward quickly again, but there is a LOT to do to bring this to the level we want on the new infrastructure. Probably a bout a week stagging will be smooth and then within 2 weeks the updates and fixes start flowing.

@volkris

I think he means, what is an appropriate way to respond both for society and from how the law should view it.

Its a fair question.

@notaleman

@peterdrake

Not proken. Full text search is off until after the upgrade process is done as it will make the upgrades much quicker.

We could probably risk it and do the upgrade in line but i want to fix some unseen infrastucture stuff first so that if the upgrade goes wrong there will be very little down time to roll back and very little risk.

Namely we need to 1) pull our one DB server out into individual servers for each server. This will make backup and restore more granular. 2) I want to create a totally separate replicated staging/beta environment to more safely pre-test.

@khird @barefootstache

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