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@amerika @wjmaggos @JeffC1956
It's a long one but worthy I hope and can be the basis of audio chat anytime (almost).

Some of those things ring true and at the same time sound mutually exclusive which I don't think it is always.

So there is a middle or fluctuating balance from both ends we can do as learn / teacher / share as experiences and balancing things out...

For example or ways I mean
(that correspond to each of your paragraphs):

1█ People can "wake up" tomorrow or slowly work on it - but without guidance or proper place to go or ping pong board then for sure we are individually all a lot less effective / potentially lost / just in our limited selves measurably limited without others.

2█ And the rewards, people also learn what is more rewarding as many don't know now at all or rely on system to 'tell them' (they have given up their power or own system" so they might think it's money as that is everywhere the bar and almost only measurement - not time and listening as most rewarding and solving thing - but buying into bad solutions.

If slowly people get the participational respect (thank you for being here in the audio chat) and like learning or already ahead, then growth and logic of mind can improve *because we made space* (there is a reason governments cut funding spaces to talk / centres as it fuels expression / feelings shared / revolution)... The rewards are not always material unless we keep it material... If we put some kudos into it, some shout outs, show the learning, the progress, the consented sparring / even affection etc then this is the reward people are looking for as humans (again measurably we need all this and act up out of not getting it).
So without this being a lecture (even though some would want that) we all want to be witnessed and loved and all that :) And I think there are 5 people out there that can give it to them!!
1.______________
2.______________
3.______________
4.______________
5._FreeSchool__

3 █ Yes bottom up, but top-down also at the same time (!) like a well oiled machine with solid feelings behind it and anchored in various solid ways like manifesto lines we can point to and even give exclusions to in collected comments for situations (like no force but if you're calculated without killing then maybe force).
We all need healthy management around these ideas and need things to do / options / goals / destinations, so while bottom up we grow in various ways... top-down is your wise master who can correct your chess moves if there are that solid.

4█ And lastly without big statement...
IT'S ALL POLITICS ! (such is the nature of mankinid!)
It's near impossible to handle viewpoints *before* we try to bring politics into it... or it's both at the same time, or even the same thing magnified or smaller version.

Meaning humans all have a personal perspective and that roots out into various kinds of politics that grow or are taught from that / duped into (personal beliefs are people's own politics once you scratch the surface but many were not asked or given space in theory of how they would organise or run things.

Usually people who get angry don't know how to express it or never had been tested but the more you're tested the more comfortable you are and can even take from others who say their politics and say "hey yeah that's what I meant all this time" and finally the write their own manifesto so they remember it (and others can see it). People need that "well what do you think?" and start from there (and yes people will do their homework if they want to so that is also what I mean by doing all politics and everything as it's simply the human experience or condition and can be something new). Ask people how approximately even they don't have all the answers can help and observer too. - that's part of doing it all at the same time, We see good points via text but text doesn't cut it for humanism... so finding audio as low-footprint and lower demand than video, I think it's the perfect balance and ticks very big accessible boxes.

(Happy to talk more in audio and I'll wrap up this text soon)

I'm quite sure politics is not separate, the same as the brain is connected to body and body needs others... and our existence is based on, well everything or too many thing not to be political (or what we think way to do things, why, what for etc)... so better make a start is how I feel with some random people as parents probably done the best they could! And a bit of skill or pure togetherness can guide people themselves a lot further than on their own. We all have seen nice parents / teachers that let us do our own thing and want that from others (between our family life or whatever) and to be able to say things like "I don't know" and not an authoritarian thing is a great things for the next generations to also do...

So I'd be happy to do a test run or even fake argument with someone / 2 other people or whatever questions you'd have via audio chat... and admit if it measurably fails. (I think it can all be measured without it being the only focus)

We can't leave individuals to it - who are lost without others and then we can reward ourselves / learn with other just to do the best we can :)

Personal #Politics #Viewpoints
#SlowCooking #FastCooking #P2P #Wisdom #Quotes #Individualism #Together lol

@wjmaggos @amerika @JeffC1956 If you mean something like "why doesn't it stop" or "how does it go on for so long" it's because it's based on need / dependency of people in order to keep their positions - best done by talking / corralling together.

The same as we could do at the bottom by talking to each other, forming friends, knowing we can do favours to coral and manipulate reality - they just have money as their focus which we don't have as strongly in any similar empire-building conversation or as investment in time etc to pay off somehow...

They / the capitalists are a good example of what we could do in many ways, but don't always manage it or let our triggers and fear mostly get in the way, and remain shallow in depth from replying / believing there is a way.

You're only as clever as your network.

foolish users = foolish network

I vouch for humanity.

Both in it's lacking(s) but for the positives.

@amerika @Anthony
Oh totally it's the way for our own practising of "the way"(s)) / showing it in practice and justice (dare I say) which I can represent justice as simply "us doing it" and then balancing what we want / need between ourselves....

I mean only one or two moderators / judges and even comments on their performance over time from those involved and the outcome.

So not judges and courts like Capitalism but "yeah I trusted this guy over the internet once and good tings happened and my computer wasn't hacked or anything!"

Just needs a start and vouch for humanity so it can to getting better and not too many peopel or too much... just like "hey guys, let's go through your points and I'm keeping time for 4mins each starting from... now!"...

The rule / procedure should be idiot proof (if not for ourselves) and more about those that want to sort things else fall into the same loops / just get kicked off / waste all our time...

So I think of it as investment and 2 small tests could be done quite harmlessly or even a fake-real problem to speak about in theory of what I / we would do / say...

We do enough via text so I think time-wise just better amiably sometimes / at times of big clash... wanna try a mock scenario or ...?

@chairman_meh Looks like my writing in some of that (not to even compare but just pleasant surprise and I'm not running away from length of text at all!)

I observe from the world and my direct experiences like Into The Wild [Modern Version] that even with almost everything sorted (even some of your / my filters satisfied and achieving) still I need others for my own spirituality

(wow first time I wrote it like that)

So others get this satisfied somewhat but through other ways, like thinking their work colleagues are friends (and find out when they no longer work there that they are more just acquaintances) and other many things that act-as-if people work / respect each other but are not deep or on the same page at all - the same temporary Capitalism template throwing them together for a bit and principles were not improved - apart from being let go from work and *maybe* people learning from that (I say "maybe"!)

What I'm saying is similar to selling us life for us to see that each part fails the same way with money, power etc and gaining us less respect all the while...

But for me it's how to convince others who have it quite good / almost there but no people or friends (since naturally they are all filtered out !)

Needs a lot of imagination by people and determinism to stick with those that look dogdy or act nervous or anti-google or anything against other isms... people who can stick with you for a bit, test you out and and at the end really see you / the principles as the 'best option' for surviving things despite obvious differences along the way..

It's true people that we measurably need - but people often measure wrong...

I measurably can't can't do without humanity and almost need to evangelise (another way of saying "spreading better ways" but seemingly could be seen as a Christian religion or something, again not the principles) so the work now is "how" when all that is seen first and the default start position is that "without Capitalism's work it doesn't work" to get people to believe / have will to increment even a bit with another... go for a ride (literally like in a car but over the internet!)

I don't know how to get a sliding scale towards my reasoned thinking... and maybe I missing something and there is another way... but my own principles stop using almost everything so I'm checkmating myself a bit (but glad for it currently as selling out to help people doesn't work either or we have plenty of people doing that already so I seek a more pure way)...

How about a jitsi audio chat sometime today? I could drop a link - say an hour from now or you could message me 20mins before your ready?

Time to avoid the lies and do it all ourself/ves.

@amerika @Anthony
Agree, debating like some kind of Oxford debate would be good.

I'd say using text by the people / fediverse also as notes or guide to consider by those involved - to take prepared points and give copy to moderator (doesn't have to be public or can be later) so moderator can have points and run down the list... mentioning it - getting a Yes/No/Explain this and then moving on down points to get through it all (and maybe revisit anything unclear) and moderator to see the tension points and make their own way though it a bit / help the two.

I should be moderator basically or help the moderators :) A moderator meeting first! But basic prepared audio debate would work :¬D

@chairman_meh So agree on that and say "It's deliberate" the same as anything that will get better, they just reduce it's effectiveness using excuses, reducing price, shifting goal-posts, de-valuing things to basically keep people busy or devalued... so yes what you said but what to do about deliberate devaluing while we have to buy into their oppression somewhat to stay alive and "just because they said so" enough from top down for others to stay alive / maintain an increasingly costly living space?

Should they just go "Into The Wild" or live like "Captain Fantastic" #films ?

I guess finding others with similar thoughts and existing bases would be good to get out of the price oppression and have time to think more at least for a year....
doesn't seem to work any other way when tired and have little time or appetite for anything like talking about freedom ...

#Freedom vs #Capitalism

@eiZen @craigmaloney@octodon.social Such a shame profile is disabled now...
Harder to keep spirit of Craig alive and plenty of people will be like "Is that the same Craig who explained the Atari so well in that one video" or "did I meet this guy at..."

Ah well..

I would be interested in hearing your thoughts about Craig as a opportunity to share / give praise...

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ℹ️ Best advice to check links:
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ℹ️ Also if it's a bit.ly/ address just add + at the end of link to show final address..
e.g. Below I already added "+"
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to show address = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitly

ℹ️ Short URLS are not innocent sites like Wikipedia (as they wouldn't need to mask it with another address) and it can 'hop' sites!)

Bitly, TinyURL, etc all guilty! So it's useful to see the entire chain of path and the final server to which a short URL points. (can be more than one purpose and server purpose along the way!)

Best advice is
https://httpstatus.io/

or search with: redirect link checker in Searx https://searx.org/

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Talking is too much for people.
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........ vs ........ ↕️
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