Romaq @Romaq@qoto.org

@Pat

Pretty much. We supply the tek backing, the money, and the commerce for the glue that holds the world's business together. And we are nothing limited in connection like in the early 1930's.

A dissolution of the US is going to leave skid marks worldwide.

If it comes to that, and I'm highly confident it will, nobody's going to care about COVID-protection measures or climate change reduction.

@WhatYouMcCallit

@Pat

I'll respond here as it's the relevant thread I think we'd all prefer to keep.

On the facts you cite, I'd recommend you post them on a web page you can make a short-link to (easy for you to remember) so when you quote that, people can look it up even if they should choose to dismiss those facts out-of-hand as inconvenient to their narrative. Make it easy so every time you say it, you can cite it, particularly for anyone new who picks up on the conversation... which, of course, is highly desirable.

On your page, be sure to link to the source .gov, CDC, WHO data. "Well, *I* don't accept those sources..." OK fine... but it's proof you are not just making those numbers up, you have them from SOMEWHERE, and those usually give further reference as to how *THEIR* numbers were obtained.

That's also back to the imperative as to *WHY* every effort must be made not to politicize heath data, because once we go down that road weaponizing health is inevitable.

That said, it did appear as if a government mandate (practically impossible at this point) were being suggested, but I accept now that was not your intention.

"...most likely to become infected are the ones most likely to hold the reins of power. I think we're sunk." "Power attracts the corruptible." That's a given. That's just humans being human. "Sunk" would be one way to describe the impending dissolution of the United States. If it comes to that, COVID-19 and climate crisis issues will be swept aside in favor of, "they have to shut down the food processing plant where I work because we can't ship in or out through a war zone." Masking up and climate change will take a back seat to fleeing to Canada as refugees.

"... odds are we'd come out much better after the dust had settled."

You have WAY far more faith in the political sanity of the United States than anything I would consider realistic.

"We've got a really low bar right now"

Every time... EVERY DAMNED TIME I think I'm being just a bit too dark and cynical, I have things like (but certainly not limited to) the current #FediBlock #MastoAdmin situation to remind me I just need to lower my expectations a bit more.

@WhatYouMcCallit

@Pat

"A large number of well-educated" idiots pushing an agenda of control for us "pleebs" own good is a recipe for their natural hypocrisy to be pointed out and having the rest of anything actually true completely ignored.

In other words, pretty much exactly what you can observe in the American treatment of the pandemic thus far. The actual truth of the benefits of masking is largely irrelevant. Tribalism is all that matters.

"Much more likely to die from not wearing a respirator than you are to die from not wearing a seatbelt."

Ok. In light of the current US political situation and the trust the public at large has in apolitical authorities in health matters... what source would you choose to cite for this which the public in general would generally agree to trust for that little factoid?

As far as PSAs and whatnot... again, given the current political climate within the US, how do you propose the government at large, fractured and lurching towards civil war as it is, coordinate to spend the money for and promote the information of your claim, true or not as it is? And your claim may very well be true.

"The government should see..." There is no "government" within the US. There are really only fractured fiefdoms of various tribes increasingly reluctant to cooperate among one another to the point of publicly considering disunion as a favorable solution and outcome. And if we go that route, we'll have about as much interest in sane precautions against COVID-19 as Ukraine. You might say they have other priorities at this time. And so will we if it comes to that. "Should" in one hand and sh.....pit in the other. See what will fill faster.

"Put my tribe in charge and have them make everyone be safe for their own good" is not the winning solution you might think it would be. Even if you don't believe that's exactly how it would be perceived... that's exactly how that will be perceived. And why such a move will be so totally doomed to failure.
@WhatYouMcCallit

@WhatYouMcCallit

High-risk, low-benefit behavior is not caused by the virus. The high-risk, low-benefit behavior perpetuates the virus, encouraging it to mutate faster. If the people involved were more inclined to look at risk vs. benefits honestly, you would naturally have higher benefits and lower risk.

But that requires the mythical unicorn known as a "rational human acting in their own reasonable best interest." Because of the evidence I find around me, I don't believe such a mythical beast exists.

@Pat

@Dennis1212

https://qoto.org/@freemo/109405618861950255

More of the stuff going on. I'll stop stop bothering you with it after this, but on the "which instance" question, I'd be fussy about an instance that supports factual evidence over "QAnon-like" tactics of spreading hate and lies.

With the evidence presented thus far, it ain't @\freemo.