Trinsec @Qoto @trinsec@qoto.org

@dumdumjobes That 'sucker' part might be a bit too specific. I'm not sure the non-English world would get it. I see that as a lollipop?

@lydiaconwell Is the half-potty related to the shart?

@lydiaconwell He ate takeout food again?

@Baley Sell them as vintage jewelry chests?

Totally tired now, but I have enjoyed the day sauntering at a few markets. I bought a figurine of a feline oozing lots of charm. I also managed to acquire 10 Donald Duck Pockets which I'm going to read soon. 😁

It was actually a nice sunny day for a change after weeks of rain. Delicious!

@peterdrake I personally would probably go Affinity Publisher or depending on design maybe Designer or Photo. But those are the tools I have at my disposal.

@freemo
That's what they said about flying cars. :P

I don't think this is a cop-out, I highly doubt we have the drive to have everything automated like you envision. I highly doubt that humans are willing to accept that kind of large-scale automation. I highly doubt we even have the resources to begin with to automate everything in a few decades. All I see is prototypes, and not even always succesful or even affordable.

No, seriously, I think you're the one out of touch. :P

@jimvernon

@freemo
There are plenty of people who will never have the intellectual capacity to grow beyond a cleaner's job. You're kinda telling them to fuck off here. A no-skill job will always be required somewhere. And I highly doubt they can all be automated. There'll still be plenty of those kind of jobs in a few decades. You're kinda out of touch there.

@jimvernon

@freemo Ah, so your idea is only working with a competent government (which isn't also short-staffed) which can actually check up all companies to make sure everything's done fairly?

Yeah.. good luck, heh.

And examples.. well I've read about the work conditions of Amazon workers, for example. How can that even exist? It'd not be doable here. Not legally.
I assume that the Amazon warehouse conditions are legal because they've been talked about so much, and seemingly haven't improved.

@freemo
Wait, there'll always be a job needing cleaners and suchlike. A fulltime cleaner should be able to have a liveable wage. That's what minimum wage is for.

@jimvernon

@freemo

As far as I see it:

(Big) Companies have a lot of power already. Individual workers have considerably less power. Them working together (and forming an union) protects them against the power of companies. Especially big companies.

You're talking about antitrust and such, but how does that protect the workers? Will they even bother with the individual workers? A sole worker doesn't have an army of lawyers behind them to do what is right. An union does.

I only have to look at the USA and see how things are shit for the workers in anti-Union states. How would that get fixed anytime soon? Individual workers can hardly demand improvements like an union can. They just get fired and other victims get hired.

No, somehow I'm really not convinced by your arguments. We've already got running examples of what you think should have been, and we can see it's not really an improvement to those workers there.

@freemo Well, the strikes aren't always about increasing wages, actually. It's also about lowering work pressure and all that. You seem to be focused on price-fixing here.

@freemo We had teacher strikes, cop strikes, etc, because of the government's decisions. Only possible with unions because how else will you organize this? Here the strikes are usually against government, not so much against companies. At least, not at that large scale. How do you figure this will fit here?

@Amikke @freemo Yeah kinda as I see it, if a lot of stuff is automated, UBI should be a possibility.

@freemo *Giggles* Self-checkout machines are starting to fall in disfavor around here because theft is hugely on the rise due to inflation. Those companies aren't saving anything, just as a funny aside.

There's a personnel shortage everywhere, too. I'd say minimum wage is actually helping out a lot right now. If there was too many workers and not enough jobs, you'd have a point. But right now, not really.

@freemo Huh. That might be an American thing? Here, people are reluctant to hire well-educated people for low-skill jobs, because they tend to stay a short time because they'd get bored and move on to jobs that actually suit their level.